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<blockquote data-quote="kengar" data-source="post: 2255987" data-attributes="member: 3230">A 20th level fighter stripped of equipment and chucked in a pit of alligators = a bunch of luggage. Even with the -4 to hit for unarmed non-subdual damage, the 20th level fighter will be hitting an AC15 croc over 75% of the time with 4 attacks/round. Even with 1d3 base damage, any Ftr20 is going to have at least a +3 ST bonus (probably higher). this means he's dealing out approx 20 pts a round on average. Your normal MM crocodile only has 22hp. Figure 4 crocs in the pit and even with a few d6 falling damage, the Ftr20 is probaly starting the fight with triple digit HP. Call it (conservatively) 6 rounds for him to kill the 4 crocs -with his bare hands- and the critters have maybe inflicted 60-70hp damage. Sure they have Imp Grab, but I doubt the fighter will be grappled more than a round, if at all. End result? Your fighter wades out of the pit missing probably less than half his full hp and 800# of reptile are belly up. Grim? Possibly. Gritty? I don't think so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kengar, post: 2255987, member: 3230"] A 20th level fighter stripped of equipment and chucked in a pit of alligators = a bunch of luggage. Even with the -4 to hit for unarmed non-subdual damage, the 20th level fighter will be hitting an AC15 croc over 75% of the time with 4 attacks/round. Even with 1d3 base damage, any Ftr20 is going to have at [i]least[/i] a +3 ST bonus (probably higher). this means he's dealing out approx 20 pts a round on average. Your normal MM crocodile only has 22hp. Figure 4 crocs in the pit and even with a few d6 falling damage, the Ftr20 is probaly starting the fight with triple digit HP. Call it (conservatively) 6 rounds for him to kill the 4 crocs -[i]with his bare hands[/i]- and the critters have [i]maybe[/i] inflicted 60-70hp damage. Sure they have Imp Grab, but I doubt the fighter will be grappled more than a round, if at all. End result? Your fighter wades out of the pit missing probably less than half his full hp and 800# of reptile are belly up. Grim? Possibly. Gritty? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]

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