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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ralts Bloodthorne" data-source="post: 2540547" data-attributes="member: 6390">I completely agree. That's the problem, the middle ground is hard to see, and everyone usually ends up standing on one side or the other.I apologize for that.  I realize that you might not have understood that what I thought you were advocating is the popular belief in disciplining children.Honestly, there are people that believe that children should recieve NO negative reenforcement, and recieve only positive reenforcement and self-affirmation. Knowing now that you live in another country, and may not realize how rediculous it has gotten in places, in certian cases, here in the US, you might have thought it was a personal attack upon you, when in actuality, it was more of a sneer at the "My child is just expressing himself when he throws a fit in the store, curses at me, urinates upon the floor, and screams at the top of his lungs because he has to share the toy I am buying with his sibling." crowd.I agree with the fact there are those who use thier position to abuse thier children. These people are little more than bullies or mentally ill. It depends on the area. In some places in the US, ANY physical punishment is abuse. A threat of physical abuse (IE: the threat of a spanking) is considered abuse. Both of which are grounds for the state to take away the child, and the parent must provide the burden of proof that abuse did not occur.</blockquote>