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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 2540959" data-attributes="member: 5724">Yes. Quite rightly. That was my point.As soon as you think it's right for you to exercise your judgment as to when someone has been rude enough to deserve a punch, you are defacto saying that others have the right to use their judgement about when it's ok to punch rude people. Or your saying that only you have the right or your saying that only people who agree with your assessment of the situation have the right, which is wrong—you're not special, neither am I, we're not better than everyone else in the eyes of the law. Also, you open the door to the idea of perhaps even being justified in using even more force against rude people because, "They were so rude they deserved two punches."Your interpretation of what is justification is the reason why the law doesn't let people interpret using violence against rudeness. Because legally, your interpretation is wrong.Again you don't see my point. The point of the law is to not allow people the option of using violence at all in response to a verbal insult because what's insulting varies from person you person.You don't think it's appropriate to shoot someone because they insulted your wife. Someone else might. The law means that individuals don't get to choose legally to use violence *of any type* because removing that choice completely makes it pretty crystal clear about what's acceptable and what's not.   ie. using violence at all in response to a verbal insult (any insult, not just what you think as an insult, but what anyone thinks as an insult) is not legally allowed.Actually they do. If say, in a moment of frustration your wife is rude, (we all are at some time after all) and someone punches her. Would you be ok with that? I mean all the other guy did is what you did— excercised his "right" to use violence when confronted by rudeness. It doesn't matter that you, or she, or me, or anyone wouldn't think that what she did was bad enough (as how you thought of what the guy said to your wife was bad enough) to justify a punch in the face, because only the other guy's interpretation of what's rude enough for a hit is what make it right, not what is legal or not legal under your working operations. Using your belief, the other man is even right in teaching your wife a lessen not to mouth off. She needed to be FIRMLY delt with.I bet you'd get pretty fricken angry and may use more violence on the guy because he punched your wife. Or if you don't, I imagine I'd see you taking the guy to court.I don't think what the guy did to your wife is right. I also, dont think what you did was right either. I'm trying to explain why individuals don't have the right to do what you did. It protects people from the violent incident initially, and prevents a spiral of potential violence as one side tries to "right" what was wronged.Individuals don't have the right or authority to escalate the violence level except in situations where they are fearful for their life. This is a pretty good idea after you give it some thought.No, the laws are designed because someone calling you a name or being mean and you reacting with violence isn't civil behavior. The old, two wrong don't make a right thing. You and your wife and your family should either ignore him and realize he's an jerk or respond verbally informing him that he's a jerk. That's civil behavior in response to incivility.Yeah, I was really rude. I mean, who'd expect them to park 50 ft. away in the unoccupied part of the parking lot? I mean, it's much better to force a young mother to rush and hurry putting her kid away in a car seat while forcing two people in one car and another person in a car behind that one to wait than it is to walk 50ft because you want to park right infront of the store's doors. No, I wasn't the rude one. Not by a long shot. They believed that everyone can hurry or wait for them—that they were the important ones.But if I believed the way you did (ie. that each individual is morally right in deciding when to apply violence against rudeness), I would feel justified in getting out of my car and puching the rude driver of the car that made me wait.joe b.</blockquote>

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