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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8905044" data-attributes="member: 7635">Total surrender is WotC giving back everything 1.0a had and adding &quot;irrevocable&quot; as a just for thinking they could amend it. WotC believes it has the power to amend it. Whether it does is a question for the courts. But I see no path forward where WotC does not get something from this negotiation. The OGL community have already won the bigger victory; ORC will come out and guarantee free and open gaming for eternity, written into a modern contract that can reflect on 20 years of experience with the OGL. And it won't be beholden to any single company. That is OGL 1.0b in essence, with the exception of the lack of WotC's SRDs in it. WotC already fumbled its biggest bargaining chip. We already won. The question now is what are people and WotC willing to negotiate to use WotC's OGC. That's the fight over 1.x now. WotC wants people to only use their 5.x SRD to make certain D&amp;D compatible products within certain parameters. We get to tell WotC if that's reasonable or no dice. That's how we move forward with WotC. Sticking our heels in the dirt and demanding not only that WotC gets no ground but also that we demand more ground seems counterproductive. I too would have loved WotC to leave well enough alone. But that didn't happen. So now, knowing ORC is going to be the backbone of the open RPG community and not WotC, we can negotiate a deal that is amicable to both gamers and Hasbro. We're not going to get there by demanding blood.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 8905044, member: 7635"] Total surrender is WotC giving back everything 1.0a had and adding "irrevocable" as a just for thinking they could amend it. WotC believes it has the power to amend it. Whether it does is a question for the courts. But I see no path forward where WotC does not get something from this negotiation. The OGL community have already won the bigger victory; ORC will come out and guarantee free and open gaming for eternity, written into a modern contract that can reflect on 20 years of experience with the OGL. And it won't be beholden to any single company. That is OGL 1.0b in essence, with the exception of the lack of WotC's SRDs in it. WotC already fumbled its biggest bargaining chip. We already won. The question now is what are people and WotC willing to negotiate to use WotC's OGC. That's the fight over 1.x now. WotC wants people to only use their 5.x SRD to make certain D&D compatible products within certain parameters. We get to tell WotC if that's reasonable or no dice. That's how we move forward with WotC. Sticking our heels in the dirt and demanding not only that WotC gets no ground but also that we demand more ground seems counterproductive. I too would have loved WotC to leave well enough alone. But that didn't happen. So now, knowing ORC is going to be the backbone of the open RPG community and not WotC, we can negotiate a deal that is amicable to both gamers and Hasbro. We're not going to get there by demanding blood. [/QUOTE]

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