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Reading Group--Caesar's Legion

SHARK

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Here we go! Chapter I—“Staring Defeat In The Face”

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“It was a great day to die. And before the sun had set, thirty-four thousand men would lose their lives in this valley.”
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The chapter opens with this statement. Wow! The courage of these men is simply inspiring! They know that many of them are going to die, and probably not by some unseen artillery fire either, but by hard, bloody, hand-to-hand combat.



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“There was not a breath of wind as the legionaries of the 10th stood in their ranks, looking across the river valley toward the Pompeian army. It was lined up five miles away on the slope below Munda, a Spanish hill town near modern Osuna in Andulasia, southeast of Cordoba. The sun was rising in a clear sky on the mild morning of March 17, 45 B.C. After sixteen years of battles in Spain, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Albania, Greece, and North Africa, and having invaded Britain twice, Julius Caesar’s 10th Legion had come full circle, back to it’s home territory, to fight the battle that would terminate either Rome’s bloodiest civil war or Caesar’s career, and possibly his life.”
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Damn! Sixteen years! Imagine how incredibly tough and experienced these men are! These aren’t young boys, but men who are 34 years of age, or older. They are clearly the epitome of professionalism. Imagine all of the tricks and knowledge that they have gained over the years from fighting in so many different battles, and against different opponents?


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“In the midst of the 10th Legion’s formation, on horseback and surrounded by his staff, helmeted, and clad in armor, fifty-four-year-old Julius Caesar wore his paludamentum, the eye-catching scarlet cloak of a Roman general.”
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Visualize the great general on his white horse, scarlet cloak fluttering in the breeze! What a sight! The importance of a distinctive appearance to an army’s general, but also it’s troops, cannot be underestimated.


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“Gnaus had assembled and equipped a large field army of between fifty thousand and eighty thousand men.”
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Though not as highly trained and experienced as Caesar’s troops, this no doubt is a very formidable army. They also have excellent field position. I think it is interesting, as I have argued passionately, that in the game, the idea of armies only being 5,000 men is ridiculous. Over twelve-hundred years before the Middle Ages we can see here that the Romans were regularly fielding huge, powerful armies. Keep in mind also, that though the civil war is raging here, these two separate armies are by no means the only armies serving the Roman Republic. There are still other armies stationed in Gaul, Italy, Greece, and Africa.


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“Standards held high, Caesar’s legions marched in step across the plain with a rhythmical tramp of sixty thousand feet and the rattle of equipment. Discipline was rigid. Not a word was spoken.”
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Imagine the sight, and the absolute absence of talking! The scene must have been sobering! I can imagine the sweat trickling down the men’s backs as they stand in line, their armor strapped on tightly, clutching their weapons. They are mentally preparing themselves for the blood and death to come. The banners waving, the gleam of armor and weaponry in the sun, all in perfectly neat rows—rank upon rank of legionaries.


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“Swiftly dismounting, Caesar grabbed a shield from a startled legionary of the 10th in a rear rank, then barged through his troops, up the slope, all the way to the shattered front rank, with his staff officers, hearts in mouths, jumping to the ground and hurrying after him. Dragging off his helmet with his right hand and casting it aside so that no one could mistake who he was, he stepped out in advance of the front line.”
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Caesar is such a god of war. He is clearly the greatest general in history, only really standing in the company of Alexander the Great, who was of similar temperment, style, and skill. Like Alexander the Great, Caesar was never defeated. Imagine facing an army commanded by a general who has never known defeat!


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“Caesar then drew his sword and strode up the slope, proceeding many yards ahead of his men toward the Pompeian line.”
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Caesar’s personal example of leadership and courage here is hallmark of his personality, and his great virtue! Imagine being a legionnaire standing in the ranks, perhaps fearful of being killed soon, after you have watched many of your comrades die under a barrage of javelins, and here, here, your general leads the assault personally! Caesar is ready to pour his own life out in battle with you! In history, we have other generals that have led from the front, like Belisarius, Richard the Lion-Heart, Henry the V, Patton, and Rommel, but they are few. It certainly shows that some men have not felt themselves above sharing the danger of blood and death with their men. They take the same risks, on occasion, like here, even more so. Caesar is in the absolute front of the action! What a great commander. No wonder his men loved him so much. Look what he does!

This book is just excellent! The opening chapter is clearly giving us a roadmap of where we are going. I’m still in awe of Caesar. I admit, I have always been a great admirer of Julius Caesar. This book adds so much to getting to really see his genius for command, and his concern and love for his soldiers. What an opening chapter! What do you my friends think?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 

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“It was a great day to die. And before the sun had set, thirty-four thousand men would lose their lives in this valley.”

The chapter opens with this statement. Wow!

I actually enjoy the end of the first paragraph: "And if the men of this legion had to die, there was probably not a better place nor a finer day for it, on home soil, beneath a perfect blue sky."

Damn! Sixteen years! Imagine how incredibly tough and experienced these men are!

At least 2nd or even 3rd level. ;)

I didn't realize that Roman legions were formed all at once, and that after sixteen years, Legio X was only one-third as large as when it started, but all grizzled veterans.

In D&D terms, imagine a legion of 2,000 5th-level Fighters.

“In the midst of the 10th Legion’s formation, on horseback and surrounded by his staff, helmeted, and clad in armor, fifty-four-year-old Julius Caesar wore his paludamentum, the eye-catching scarlet cloak of a Roman general.”

Visualize the great general on his white horse, scarlet cloak fluttering in the breeze! What a sight! The importance of a distinctive appearance to an army’s general, but also it’s troops, cannot be underestimated.

As I said before, I want my own paludamentum!

In Chapter III, Savaging the Swiss -- please indulge my skipping ahead -- we get a similar example of such distinctions: "His rank evidenced by the transverse crest of eagle feathers on his helmet, the metal greaves on his shins, and the fact that he wore his sword on his left hip rather than on the right like enlisted men."

In D&D, I guess the typical distinction is plate vs. banded vs. splint vs. chain vs. scale vs. studded leather. That's how you tell tough humanoids from cannon fodder, right? There's obviously great opportunity for "decorating" your Orc Champions and Hobgoblin Centurions.

Also, D&D encounters tend to be small enough that you don't have unarmed trumpeters, standard-bearers, etc. Those are evocative touches though.

“Gnaus had assembled and equipped a large field army of between fifty thousand and eighty thousand men.”

Though not as highly trained and experienced as Caesar’s troops, this no doubt is a very formidable army. They also have excellent field position. I think it is interesting, as I have argued passionately, that in the game, the idea of armies only being 5,000 men is ridiculous.

How did feudal armies get anything done? Granted, I'd be horrified to face 5,000 armed men, but compared to 50,000 to 80,000? Tiny!

Reading about Caesar's elite Legio X and Pompey's elite Legio I makes me want to play in a military campaign -- but we need good mass-combat rules (and/or a savvy DM) to make that work.

“Swiftly dismounting, Caesar grabbed a shield from a startled legionary of the 10th in a rear rank, then barged through his troops, up the slope, all the way to the shattered front rank, with his staff officers, hearts in mouths, jumping to the ground and hurrying after him. Dragging off his helmet with his right hand and casting it aside so that no one could mistake who he was, he stepped out in advance of the front line.”

Caesar is such a god of war. He is clearly the greatest general in history, only really standing in the company of Alexander the Great, who was of similar temperment, style, and skill.

Doesn't this read like fiction? Wild! I'm left asking, when does the movie come out?
 

According to Appian, two hundred javelins flew toward the lone, exposed figure of Caesar. The watching men o f the 10th held their breath. No one could live through a volley like that. Not even the famously lucky Julius Caesar...

I'm beginning to think Julius Caesar was a 10th-level character... ;)
 
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I remember the first chapter. I knew then that this book was not only well research but well written too. His discriptions are excellent making you feel that you're one of the soldiers watching Caesar lead the fight, that you're right there in the thick of things.

I should have bought the book then and there, but I didn't.:( It's not in yet, but I'll catch up.

JC might be higher then just 10th Level. Heck by 49 BC he probably would have been in Epic Levels. :D
 


Greetings!

Welcome aboard, Micar Sin, welcome aboard!:)

It seems quite apparent that in the first chapter alone, where it discusses the legion's standards being raised up, pointed, and so on, along with the precise commands delivered from commanders through voice and trumpeters brings home the point how important communications, standard bearers, and tightly disciplined formations can be for success on the battlefield.

Great stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 

knew that SHARK and his military mind would go apenuts over this book..sigh i am still waiting for SHARK's Guide to Mass Combat....
 


Greetings!

Hey there Leopold! Yes, Caesar's Legion by Stephen Dando-Collins is the right book! It is absolutely fantastic! You should get it, and join us!:)

I wrote a review of Caesar's Legion for Amazon, too! My review should be posted there any day now!:)

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 
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Chapter II -- Impatient for Glory

Suetonius says that during his first posting to Spain, while gazing at a statue of Alexander the Great in Cadiz, Caesar was to lament to his associates that at his age Alexander had already conquered the entire world.

I think most of us can empathize with that.

By the way, I couldn't help but think of the morning team on KROQ 106.7 FM (in LA), Kevin and Bean. Anytime they mention something amazing that someone young has done, one of them says, "At that age I was still throwing rocks at my neighbor, Robbie Joyner."

Caesar took a personal interest in the appointment of the legion's six tribunes, all young colonels in their late teens and twenties..."

Young colonels in their late teens? And here I thought a lieutenant in his early twenties was in over his head...

It's a good thing we still have centurions to keep the men in check. We just call 'em "sergeants" now.

Tacitus tells of a centurion serving in the Balkans in the first century who was nicknamed 'Bring Another' by his troops, because when he broke a vine stick across the back of a legionary he was disciplining, as he regularly did, he would bellow, "Bring another!"

SHARK already mentioned this great anecdote, but I had to repeat. I'm getting a feel for SHARK's Hobgoblin Dog Soldiers.

Roman legionaries averaged just five feet four in height...

I still find this fascinating. It's amusing to think that I'd be a giant even amongst the towering Germans. "He's six feet tall!"

After tough training and daily arms and formation drill, they were capable of marching twenty-five miles a day with a pack weighing up to a hundred pounds on their back.

A 5'4" soldier weighs, what, 140 lbs? 150 lbs if he's quite muscular? And he's marching 25 miles a day with a 100-lb pack? More than two thirds his own weight? Can that be right?

Right from the start, skils the young men of the 10th brought with them to the legion were exploited. Blacksmiths became armorers, carpenters built artillery and siege equipment, cobblers made military footwear, literate men became clerks.

Exp1/Ftr1?

While engaged in construction work, a legionary could stack his shield and javelin and remove his backpack and helmet, but otherwise he had to wear full armored jacket, sword, and dagger, on pain of death if caught improperly attired, to enable him to go into action immediately in the event of an enemy attack.

These guys would fit right into a D&D party. Notice though that they need a threat of death -- certain death from their own side -- to keep their armor on while working.

I'm amazed that they could build a new fortified camp every night, but I guess soldiers in the field don't have much else they could be doing.

Under the Roman army's rules of plunder, if a town was stormed, the spoils were divided among the legionaries. But if a town surrendered, the fate of the spoils was decided by the generals...

Interesting incentive structure!

...money from the sale of captured fighting men went to the legionaries, while that from the sale of nonmilitary prisoners did not.

I love these details.

With wealthier Romans each owning up to twenty thousand slaves at their numerous estates...

Excuse me? Twenty thousand? I thought the armies were big!

As for the slave traders, theirs could be a perilous existance, camping in unprotected tents outside the fortified camps of the legions. There are several first-century examples of unarmed camp followers being massacred in large number during enemy attacks on legion bases.

I have to work this into an adventure.

The Triumph was one of the hightest accolades a Roman general could receive, entitling him to a parade through the streets of Rome in a golden chariot followed by troops from his army and his spoils of war, receiving the cheers of the crowds lining the route of the procession.

That is so much better than a few thousand gold pieces.
 
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