Reading Scrolls in armour

[Grazzt]

I've gotta side with Caliban (smetzger, dcollins, and all the other guys) on this one too. Spell completion specifically states on page 175 in the DMG (and it is not just flavor text) that "All that's left to do is perform the short, simple, finishing parts of the spellcasting (the final gestures, words, and so on)."

"Gestures" seems to indicate somatic component (for spells that require such) and "words" seems to indicate verbal components (again for spells that require such).

Also check page 203. It says under Activating a scroll: "Activating a scroll requires no material components." Says nothing about somatic or verbal.

Further down it says "Activating a scroll is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be (see Cast a Spell in Chp 8, page 125 in the PHB)."


Page 105 in the PHB under Arcane Spell Failure: "Armor interferes with the gestures you need to make to cast an arcane spell."

There is that "gestures" word again. Seems clear to me. Scrolls do indeed suffer from spell failure if you attempt to cast while wearing armor.

EDIT: Why not just email the Sage and ask him? The D&D FAQ has been known to be wrong from time to time and I am guessing this is another time it is wrong.

 

[kreynolds]

And statements like this don't generate a lot of sympathy on this board either:

Who's asking for sympathy?

 

[Zenon]

Who's asking for sympathy?

It is not asking for it, what it means is that your aggressive & off-the-cuff posting techniques do not cause most readers to be sympathetic (or agree) with your p.o.v.

 

[Metalsmith]

Like I said, in and of itself, this is not overwhelmingly compelling evidence. But, when viewed with the other statements on spell completion, it does support the somatic components required position.

Untill it runs into the Metaphorical Brick Wall of the FAQ.

Reading Scrolls do not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Just because the FAQ has been changed in the past does not mean it applies now. Otherwise we chuck all the FAQ's out the window and argue about every bit of chum that gets brought up.

Somantic Components = Somantic Components
Gestures not= Somantic Components.

Yes I think you can use Quickened Scrolls, I call em Flash Cards.


Metalsmith

 

[kreynolds]

It is not asking for it, what it means is that your aggressive & off-the-cuff posting techniques do not cause most readers to be sympathetic (or agree) with your p.o.v.

Not asking for it implies that I don't need it, nor do I seek it. I have no need for it in this matter. When someone rubs me the wrong way, I deal with it myself and I don't seek community support on it. Granted, it helps to have it, as the situation tends to be smoothed over much faster, but that's another matter entirely.

See, I have this problem. When someone pops off at me, I pop back. I know I shouldn't waste the time, but in a few special cases, it's almost worth it. I don't ask for an apology because this is just a message board. It's not like my pride or personal feelings are gonna be injured for more than a minute, after which I realize, "Hey! It's a frickin' message board. Why should I care about getting an apology?". Answer? I don't. It's a message board.

Now, when I'm in the wrong, that's different. I apologize in the end. It's the least I can do for the person on the other end that had to put up with me. But do I seek one? No. I could care less.

How did this all get started? A malfunctioning emoticon. Why are they there? To convey emotion. What emoticon did I use? The wink. Why did I use the wink? Because I wasn't serious. How can you be sure that I wasn't being serious? Because I wouldn't have used the emoticon if I was serious. How can you tell when I'm serious? I don't use an emoticon.

So, it's an established fact that the emoticons are there to convey emotion, and quite possibly to diffuse an explosive situation before it gets outta hand. When do they fail? When people ignore them or when people abuse them. How can you tell when an emoticon is being abused? You can't, unless you look at the posting pattern of the person using the emoticon.

I use them to convey emotion, which is why they're there. I use them to make sure that someone knows when I'm joking. If someone ignores the emoticon, it's not my problem. If they think I'm misusing it, it's not my problem. I know what I was trying to convey, and I used an emoticon to enforce that. Everyone here, and I mean everyone, can agree that at least half of my posts would look far far worse if I didn't use emoticons. I just don't sugar coat anything; I tell it like it is, which is why I use emoticons so much. If I don't use an emoticon, it's either because the current post needs no conveying of emotion, or it's because the emotion behind the post is just blatantly obvious. I've never used the "mad" emoticon, because generally, if I'm mad, it's pretty obvious in the post.

All I can do is try and keep my cool when someone behaves poorly because they ignored an emoticon, and in most cases, I can keep my cool just fine. But, there are a few where that's very difficult, and this is one of them.

If you get it, great. If you don't, oh well.

 

[coyote6]

Somantic Components = Somantic Components
Gestures not= Somantic Components.

Well, technically, the glossary says:

"A somatic component is a series of measured and precise gestures with the hands or other parts of the body."

Perhaps the spell completion reference to "gestures" are to some previously unknown non-precise gestures which don't count as a"somatic component". Who knows?

Skip and Monte, presumably. And I hope they "know" the same thing.

 

[Caliban]

Uhhmmm....yeah. I didn't start it.

Now your contradicting yourself. Earlier you stated:

Yes, I did start it. It was all in good fun.

So which time did you lie?

You were an ass to me. I'm being an ass to you. Nothing hypocritical in that, especially since I didn't kick off this mess.

See Previous posts. (You seem to like this phrase, even when your previous posts don't actually address the issue.)

Etc. etc. etc.

I didn't say you were being "mean". Show me where I said that.

You stated "Feeling pissy today are we?" and "and then "But you don't know how to have fun. You don't know a joke when you see one. You feel it necessary to behave like an ass when it isn't necessary"

Sounds like you thought I was being mean to you. If it takes me being a jackass to stop you from being a hypocrite, then so be it.

You can't. Why? Because I didn't say that. What I did say, however, is that you were being a jackass. There's a big difference.

I think I just did.

I didn't attack you. My first post to you was argumentative, yes, but I sure wasn't being mean to you.

You said my arguement wasn't valid. I said that your counter-arguement wasn't valid, and was only a straw man. Then you started making a big fuss. I didn't attack you, I attacked your arguement. Instead of debating the issue, you then started making personal attacks, such as:

There you go again. I swear, you jump to conclusions and piss-n'-moan more than my own psychopathic mother.

Feeling pissy today are we?

You feel it necessary to behave like an ass when it isn't necessary.

Since you felt that was the appropriate way to discuss the issue, I called you a hypocrite and a whiner. It seemed to be what you wanted.

If you don't like it, don't start making personal remarks about me.

Tell you what. I'll back off if you back off. Fair enough?

j

You started it, you back off. I don't back off when I'm insulted and attacked.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Perhaps the spell completion reference to "gestures" are to some previously unknown non-precise gestures which don't count as a"somatic component". Who knows?

The fact that all somatic components are gestures does not mean that all gestures are somatic components. Since you seem to be aware of this, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

At any rate, for example, my players occasionally use gestures with me that are not somatic components. I sometimes use such gestures while driving.

 

[kreynolds]

<snip>

OK, Caliban. I read your above post...and almost lost my lunch, it was that silly. Here's your ball (that I didn't take). If you really feel the need to be the "schoolyard bully", so be it. But if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Have a nice day.

 

[Metalsmith]

If you don't like it, don't start making personal remarks about me.

Your not to Bright, are you?


Metalsmith