Reading Scrolls in armour

[Metalsmith]

BIG IS GOOD!

Yeppers- and neither the FAQ or the MM errata has addressed the issue of the Hill Giant's Charisma which is supposed to be 11 rather than 17 as listed in the MM (according to an email I got from Skip). Both have been reworked, added to, etc. and this is one error that still remains.

Hill Giant Dave: "Error? What do you mean? It's not an Error, I do have a Charisma 17. Heck, all of us Giants do! That crap about size not mattering and how you use it and all, that was made up by you Puny Guys to make you feel better.

Metalsmith

 

[Darkness]

Nah. Pester only requires a verbal component. Any added gestures are simply for flair.

On second thought, I suppose it could go the other way, as well...

Maybe using both grants you a +2 circumstance (or competence? ) bonus, though.

 

[LokiDR]

Cross class

There enchantments, especially in Book of Eldrich Might 2, that allow a wizard to cast any spells they want in full plate mail without arcane failure chance. This seems to say that some publishers think you should be able to break rules like casting failure in armor. Is there too much of difference here?

There are a number of powerful combinations in the game, finding them is half the fun.

 

[Aaron2]

My experiences with my own character are why I think this ruling is unbalanced, because the price I paid for the benefits was minimal. I think 3 levels and the Still Spell feat are what it should cost to do what my character is doing with a single level of wizard.

That's fine. Of course every spell you cast will be from a scroll at 12 gp plus and entire day each. You'll be spending 1 day out of action for each spell you cast.

Its still not as good as Still Spell with a level 3 Wiz (a level 3 wiz can still cast 2nd level spells out of armor if the need arises).

Aaron

 

[Metalsmith]

Probably... but he is also saying that the use of scrolls aren't subject to an arcane spell failure check!!! Which he is going to house rule outa here.

Are you and Caliban the same person?

Please dont answer for him..

I just find it irritating when someone spouts off on how the rules should be and then doesn't stand by his convictions. Thats even worse than "Munchkinism". If he's not going to play his character that way anymore then it doesn't apply.

Metalsmith

 

[Pielorinho]

[Daniel looks at the circling piranhas, takes a deep breath, and plunges in.]

Metalsmith, I think that Caliban is saying that he believes the game should be ruled a certain way, to promote balance.

However, as a player, he's gonna build an effective character within the rules.

As long as LG allows this combination, even though he thinks they shouldn't allow it, he'll use it.

Is this correct, Caliban?

Myself, I lean slightly toward the side of requiring somatic components with scrolls, but not heavily so. I just don't see the balance problem as being that great.

I know, for example, that the 8th-level monk in our game ends up with an armor class in the high twenties in most battles, via a combination of high wisdom, high dex, and several spells (protection from evil, barkskin, mage armor, and cat's grace being the main ones). Sometimes he'll manage to top thirty (by adding haste to the mix). It's not a gamebreaker.

Daniel

 

[Aaron2]

I just find it irritating when someone spouts off on how the rules should be and then doesn't stand by his convictions. Thats even worse than "Munchkinism". If he's not going to play his character that way anymore then it doesn't apply.

Wow! I remember a time when calling someone a "Munchkin" was bad enough. Now you've got to be "worse than Munchkin".


Back to the topic at hand. The reason that the description of casting from a scroll specifically mentions that you don't need material components is that the cost of any expensive material components is already figured into the cost of the scroll. That 's worth repeating, just as the fact that scrolls don't need somatic components is worth repeating in the description of caster's shield. They're just trying to be nice, not change the rules.


Aaron

 

[Pielorinho]

Oh -- and when hogs squeal at you from the waller, you can either keep walking or you can jump in there with them. Only one of those choices gets you covered in mud.

Daniel
redneck Zen master

 

[Dr_Rictus]

That's fine. Of course every spell you cast will be from a scroll at 12 gp plus and entire day each. You'll be spending 1 day out of action for each spell you cast.

Which is another thing about Living Greyhawk that may make a difference with respect to this issue. Game time tracks with real time in LG. Unless you're a total LG junkie you get huge amounts of out-of-mission time to do things like scribe scrolls.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

I just find it irritating when someone spouts off on how the rules should be and then doesn't stand by his convictions. Thats even worse than "Munchkinism". If he's not going to play his character that way anymore then it doesn't apply.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

If he argues for a rule change that would benefit his character, he would be labeled a whiner. If he argues for a rule change that hurts his character, he would be labeled a hypocrite.

Silly me, I thought the fact he had personal experience playing such a character increased his credibility. I guess I am so naive...