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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4090463" data-attributes="member: 2525">Dissent itself is not a value-laden thing. It's not actually a good thing in itself.  It's an awful example.  Nobody will remember, or care, 8 years from now, what you said on a message board about the switch-over before publication.  And yet, weigh that against the harm it's doing with all the conflict it's causing right now with your peers.  "Persuade people in the far future" is a terrible justification for what's been going on lately.  I know you said "for one example" but I hope there are much better ones than that tenuous one."They" are not.  "They" won't likely even be the same people involved with 4e.  "They" will likely never read your critique, and certainly will not remember or care about it 8 years from now, particularly given the game isn't even out right now.  It's the second time you repeated this extremely thin justification...do you really claim your entire purpose for the critique now is to influence behavior in the relatively far future? Are you even so certain your future self will agree with your current opinion?I don't think folks are upset with that level of "dissent".It's people who seem to have made it their mission to hit almost every 4e thread with the same criticism over and over again.  Any rules change is being compared to MMOs, anime, lack of verisimilitude, killing D&D, and killing role playing.  It's destructive behavior that hampers actual discussion.  It tends to distract from the topic of discussion, and cause the same disputes to happen again and again until people who just don't have the time to wade through it all to find the nuggets of constructive discussion decide to leave.  That's the "threat". Well, I've outlined why I think that is not a good reason for it.  It won't work.  Heck, the designer you are referring to might not even be a designer at all right now, in any field!  It's just not realistic to think that displeasure with a particular rule 8 years+ before it is even addressed in 5e is a communication that will reach the person you would need it to reach when you would need it to reach them.I think there are legit reasons to raise an issue with 4e rules...but "influencing 5e" isn't one of them.</blockquote>

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