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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4091455" data-attributes="member: 2067">So it's an "attributing motives" thing?"Ah! I see you have a problem with the new edition! You say it is because of X, but I know why you're REALLY angry! You're REALLY angry because you're a reactionary emotional goofball and I am not! If you would not be a reactionary emotional goofball, you would see that everything about 4e is so absolutely magnificent that you will have to change pants after you experience it! To think otherwise is just being annoying and arguing for the sake of arguing! Don't argue! You're not really having the problems you say you're having! You're just a scared little nerd affraid of change!"That's overblown, and I know this is the 4e forum and all, but do you think it would be too much to ask that we don't try to psychoanalyze people on a message board, and instead take their statements at face value unless they deliberately ask otherwise?I get that it's annoying to have to hear unfounded criticisms over and over again, but really that's all the OP is: an unfounded criticism we've heard over and over again. I'm discussing it in the hopes that some posters will actually start bringing attention to where the interesting conversation is instead of trotting out the same tired shallow criticisms, not of the poster's position or their facts, but of the posters themselves. There's been plenty of threads delving into the anime argument, the videogame argument, and we hear those criticisms a lot less around these parts after those massive threads beat the dead horse to a pulp. (I can't remember the last time I seriously saw a poster arguing that anything was "too anime." And I don't have an ignore list.)The OP has virtually nothing to do with the actual criticisms levied against 4e. I'm calling that out in the hopes that more people who engage in the 4e debate will avoid a pat defense that doesn't actually defend. The interesting conversation isn't about whether or not 3e simulated real life. It's about the differences between 3e and 4e with regards to people being able to suspend disbelief. For some people, 3e does enough, and 4e, so far, does not. Talk about the differences. Going off half-cocked about how 3e isn't really realisitic so everyone should just shut up about 4e not being believable is pretty useless. It's just screaming at people that their opinions are invalid, and it's untrue. Saying that you can divine someone's motives from an aggregate of the posts you've seen from them is internet psychoanalysis, and, worse, assigning them motives, and, at the bottom line, insulting. So even if you can, the discussion is in addressing the content of their post, not the motivations of the poster.And if you don't want to do that, don't read it, or slap 'em on Ignore. Your brain may thank you for it.</blockquote>

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