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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8604693" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>Not necessarily to the same extent.</p><p></p><p>As DrunkonDuty and TerraDave described, pre-3E D&D tends to be much more heavy on strategy than tactics, at least as far as the rules are concerned. Spell prep, hiring retainers with bows to help against a known flying enemy, stocking up on silver arrows when you're hunting a werewolf, and that sort of thing are strategic decisions. Planning and logistics and setting yourself up ahead of time to maximize your chances once you get to the actual battle. Strategy is the overall plan, and tactics are the individual steps you take trying to execute it. "Always focus on neutralizing enemy casters first" could be a default strategy a party employs. HOW they go about getting the enemy meatshields out of the way and getting to the caster would be a tactical concern on the battlefield itself.</p><p></p><p>Rules for combat tactics in TSR-era D&D are not very detailed, though, for example, the marching order Gary describes for a typical party in the AD&D DMG kind of blends the strategic and the tactical- short demi-dumans in front so the humans with bows in the second rank can shoot over them, then switch to spears and increase the number of characters able to attack within the relatively narrow frontage of a 10' corridor. This is a tactic employed to maximize offense in a tight space. There are some rules in older D&D that are used tactically, though not as many. Putting your Dwarf on the front line against an Ogre because it gets -4 to hit her is a pretty good tactic based on a game mechanic. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Flanking is a tactic. Taking cover in trees (when you realize the enemy has lots of ranged attacks) is a tactic. Trying to bull rush a tough enemy into a Webbed area, or a river, to immobilize them or take them out of the fight (at least temporarily) is an immediate tactic. Trying to take away the enemy's nasty magic sword or stay out of reach of the wight so it can't energy drain you is a tactic. Moving to higher ground to get better LOS or an attack bonus is a tactic.</p><p></p><p>2nd ed Combat & <em>Tactics </em>added a bunch of new rules and additional detail to AD&D to let players make more tactical decisions in combat without the DM having to make up rules for these maneuvers. 3rd ed standardized rules for trying to Disarm, Trip, Bull Rush, flank, getting an attack bonus for being on higher ground, etc. 4E carried this to the greatest extreme yet by making most powers/attacks include movement or status effects so every round in combat every PC always had choices to make about where best to move and what to try to accomplish besides just depleting enemy HP. Although even powers which just do damage might have tactical aspects; like the Paladin at-will Valiant Strike getting a to-hit bonus equal to the number of enemies adjacent to you. This one incentivizes you to engage multiple enemies at once; but you need to weigh that against the risk of getting surrounded and ganged up on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8604693, member: 7026594"] Not necessarily to the same extent. As DrunkonDuty and TerraDave described, pre-3E D&D tends to be much more heavy on strategy than tactics, at least as far as the rules are concerned. Spell prep, hiring retainers with bows to help against a known flying enemy, stocking up on silver arrows when you're hunting a werewolf, and that sort of thing are strategic decisions. Planning and logistics and setting yourself up ahead of time to maximize your chances once you get to the actual battle. Strategy is the overall plan, and tactics are the individual steps you take trying to execute it. "Always focus on neutralizing enemy casters first" could be a default strategy a party employs. HOW they go about getting the enemy meatshields out of the way and getting to the caster would be a tactical concern on the battlefield itself. Rules for combat tactics in TSR-era D&D are not very detailed, though, for example, the marching order Gary describes for a typical party in the AD&D DMG kind of blends the strategic and the tactical- short demi-dumans in front so the humans with bows in the second rank can shoot over them, then switch to spears and increase the number of characters able to attack within the relatively narrow frontage of a 10' corridor. This is a tactic employed to maximize offense in a tight space. There are some rules in older D&D that are used tactically, though not as many. Putting your Dwarf on the front line against an Ogre because it gets -4 to hit her is a pretty good tactic based on a game mechanic. :) Flanking is a tactic. Taking cover in trees (when you realize the enemy has lots of ranged attacks) is a tactic. Trying to bull rush a tough enemy into a Webbed area, or a river, to immobilize them or take them out of the fight (at least temporarily) is an immediate tactic. Trying to take away the enemy's nasty magic sword or stay out of reach of the wight so it can't energy drain you is a tactic. Moving to higher ground to get better LOS or an attack bonus is a tactic. 2nd ed Combat & [I]Tactics [/I]added a bunch of new rules and additional detail to AD&D to let players make more tactical decisions in combat without the DM having to make up rules for these maneuvers. 3rd ed standardized rules for trying to Disarm, Trip, Bull Rush, flank, getting an attack bonus for being on higher ground, etc. 4E carried this to the greatest extreme yet by making most powers/attacks include movement or status effects so every round in combat every PC always had choices to make about where best to move and what to try to accomplish besides just depleting enemy HP. Although even powers which just do damage might have tactical aspects; like the Paladin at-will Valiant Strike getting a to-hit bonus equal to the number of enemies adjacent to you. This one incentivizes you to engage multiple enemies at once; but you need to weigh that against the risk of getting surrounded and ganged up on. [/QUOTE]
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