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<blockquote data-quote="Hexmage-EN" data-source="post: 8083996" data-attributes="member: 79428"><p>I've only been into D&D since 3.5 and am not that knowledgeable about how things worked before. Maybe if I'd entered the hobby in the 90's when both Planescape and Spelljammer were connecting all the campaign settings I'd be more of a fan of the default 5E "the Great Wheel is the true cosmology" stance. Instead I started in a time period where Greyhawk was in the Great Wheel, the Forgotten Realms was in the World Tree, Eberron was in the Orrery, and Ghostwalk was in whatever its cosmology was called.</p><p></p><p>4E came along and put both the Points of Light setting and the Forgotten Realms in two different World Axis cosmologies. Apparently the World Axis cosmology was first created for the Forgotten Realms but became the cosmology for the Points of Light setting. Eberron kept the Orrery save for the addition of Baator. Dark Sun had very little info regarding its cosmology save for the Feywild, which was damaged due to the condition of Athas and had only small pockets of it left (Heroes of the Feywild would later contradict this by saying all worlds share the same Feywild, possibly an early example of how cosmology would work in 5E). The gods of each setting were said to be unique to that setting. The Bames of the Forgotten Realms and the World Axis were explicitly different, and I doubt the Asmodeus of the Forgotten Realms who killed Azuth, banished the Abyss to the Elemental Planes and inadvertently created the Elemental Chaos is the same being as the Asmodeus lived in a multiverse where the Elemental Chaos always existed and took a piece of the Heart of the Abyss to become both a god and the first devil by killing He Who Was.</p><p></p><p>Now in 5E the Great Wheel is the one true cosmology and its gods the true gods. The Orrery of Eberron is a mere pseudo-cosmology believed in by the ignorant, Ao is the Overgod of a single Material Plane (seriously, why don't the gods unionize and threaten to all leave Toril unless Ao gives into their demands?), and all the planes of Magic: The Gathering are part of a more elaborate pseudo-cosmology that is also truly just a small part of the Great Wheel cosmology that surrounds it (would M:tG fans coming into D&D really appreciate that Magic's planes are of inferior status to those of the Great Wheel?).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hexmage-EN, post: 8083996, member: 79428"] I've only been into D&D since 3.5 and am not that knowledgeable about how things worked before. Maybe if I'd entered the hobby in the 90's when both Planescape and Spelljammer were connecting all the campaign settings I'd be more of a fan of the default 5E "the Great Wheel is the true cosmology" stance. Instead I started in a time period where Greyhawk was in the Great Wheel, the Forgotten Realms was in the World Tree, Eberron was in the Orrery, and Ghostwalk was in whatever its cosmology was called. 4E came along and put both the Points of Light setting and the Forgotten Realms in two different World Axis cosmologies. Apparently the World Axis cosmology was first created for the Forgotten Realms but became the cosmology for the Points of Light setting. Eberron kept the Orrery save for the addition of Baator. Dark Sun had very little info regarding its cosmology save for the Feywild, which was damaged due to the condition of Athas and had only small pockets of it left (Heroes of the Feywild would later contradict this by saying all worlds share the same Feywild, possibly an early example of how cosmology would work in 5E). The gods of each setting were said to be unique to that setting. The Bames of the Forgotten Realms and the World Axis were explicitly different, and I doubt the Asmodeus of the Forgotten Realms who killed Azuth, banished the Abyss to the Elemental Planes and inadvertently created the Elemental Chaos is the same being as the Asmodeus lived in a multiverse where the Elemental Chaos always existed and took a piece of the Heart of the Abyss to become both a god and the first devil by killing He Who Was. Now in 5E the Great Wheel is the one true cosmology and its gods the true gods. The Orrery of Eberron is a mere pseudo-cosmology believed in by the ignorant, Ao is the Overgod of a single Material Plane (seriously, why don't the gods unionize and threaten to all leave Toril unless Ao gives into their demands?), and all the planes of Magic: The Gathering are part of a more elaborate pseudo-cosmology that is also truly just a small part of the Great Wheel cosmology that surrounds it (would M:tG fans coming into D&D really appreciate that Magic's planes are of inferior status to those of the Great Wheel?). [/QUOTE]
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