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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6990649" data-attributes="member: 6774887">The spellcaster of course meets the damage of the crossbow fighter without the need for feats. And given that the hand crossbow fighter is the highest martial damage dealing build in the game, it does seem a little off that the spellcaster can come close and even beat it for damage output.And since the spellcaster can approach the damage of the fighter without feats, there is nothing stopping him from taking his first two levels as fighter. This gives him armor proficiency to close the AC gap. Alternatively, the spellcaster can take the toughness feat to close the HP gap.And yes, the spellcaster will need to spend many Spell slots to create Spell points to cast quickened spells, the spellcaster still has the option to use some big powerful spells for utility or combat, an option the archer does not. The ability to trade damage for utility should come with a cost, wouldn't you say?</blockquote>