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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6991665" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>I'm aware Crossbow Expert negates disadvantage for being in melee applies to ranged spell attacks as well, yes.</p><p></p><p>If only WotC didn't include arguably the best ranged weapon in the game as one of its "minor magics" I could agree...</p><p></p><p>Casters in books or movies have better things to do than abuse generous spell systems. This is not a book or movie, this is a rpg. Moreover, it is D&D. Not exactly the kind of freeform storytelling system where you can trust players to self-regulate. No, if D&D allows a player to cast 14400 Firebolts a day, that's what he'll do if it gets him out of jail risk free. Or dispose of bodies. Or do this. Or do that.</p><p></p><p>Not saying this doesn't work reasonably well most of the time. But when it doesn't, it's incredibly unsatisfactory to simply ask the player to hold back. "Yes, I know you can dissolve the lock that's keeping your own daughter locked up with a few dozen cantrips, and I know you fired at least that many in the last big fight, but now I'm asking you to not do it, because reasons".</p><p></p><p>Requiring a focus to cast spells is problematic. There's a reason we don't do that - it would be akin to being able to throw away the big guy's sword and now he can't fight, like, at all.</p><p></p><p>Re: the slots aren't finite argument - sorry, but I don't have to fix the world's complete logic. Only enough so it works in the player characters' "bubble". Meaning I'm not so concerned about rational economics so much as I'm irked by how trivially the game can say "you know all those fantasy movies lately, hobbits and khaleesis and all, and how their world feel... used, lived-in, believable? Well, forget all about that because in this game the wiz has an unlimited ability to make everything and everybody look squeaky clean with not a teared shirt or broken wagon wheel.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, that doesn't work for me. </p><p>- "We've been on the road for weeks. We're hungry, we're desperate, please help us". </p><p>- "You look like you've just stepped out of a fashion shoot. I don't believe you."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6991665, member: 12731"] I'm aware Crossbow Expert negates disadvantage for being in melee applies to ranged spell attacks as well, yes. If only WotC didn't include arguably the best ranged weapon in the game as one of its "minor magics" I could agree... Casters in books or movies have better things to do than abuse generous spell systems. This is not a book or movie, this is a rpg. Moreover, it is D&D. Not exactly the kind of freeform storytelling system where you can trust players to self-regulate. No, if D&D allows a player to cast 14400 Firebolts a day, that's what he'll do if it gets him out of jail risk free. Or dispose of bodies. Or do this. Or do that. Not saying this doesn't work reasonably well most of the time. But when it doesn't, it's incredibly unsatisfactory to simply ask the player to hold back. "Yes, I know you can dissolve the lock that's keeping your own daughter locked up with a few dozen cantrips, and I know you fired at least that many in the last big fight, but now I'm asking you to not do it, because reasons". Requiring a focus to cast spells is problematic. There's a reason we don't do that - it would be akin to being able to throw away the big guy's sword and now he can't fight, like, at all. Re: the slots aren't finite argument - sorry, but I don't have to fix the world's complete logic. Only enough so it works in the player characters' "bubble". Meaning I'm not so concerned about rational economics so much as I'm irked by how trivially the game can say "you know all those fantasy movies lately, hobbits and khaleesis and all, and how their world feel... used, lived-in, believable? Well, forget all about that because in this game the wiz has an unlimited ability to make everything and everybody look squeaky clean with not a teared shirt or broken wagon wheel. Yeah, that doesn't work for me. - "We've been on the road for weeks. We're hungry, we're desperate, please help us". - "You look like you've just stepped out of a fashion shoot. I don't believe you." [/QUOTE]
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