Reincarnate and Feats

[Starbuck]

Reincarnate states that the subject gains all powers and abilities of the new form. Does that include feats? If not, how do you reconcile the fact that a new pixie character with 1 level of Rogue would have only 1 feat, while an average pixie with no class levels has 5?

 

[kreynolds]

Reincarnate states that the subject gains all powers and abilities of the new form. Does that include feats? If not, how do you reconcile the fact that a new pixie character with 1 level of Rogue would have only 1 feat, while an average pixie with no class levels has 5?

Faith? Just kidding. Actually, I believe you get the feats as well, since they're kinda part of the starting package for the creature in the first place.

 

[AuraSeer]

Training and culture, perhaps.

If I reincarnate as an elf, am I automatically proficient with bows? I don't recall what the rules say, but my gut would say no; I'd think elves learn the bow over time as they grow up, and reincarnating wouldn't give you that training.

So if you can't gain the feat "Martial Weapon Proficency: Longbow" via reincarnation, there must be other feats you don't get, which would explain the pixie situation. Of course, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong, so don't take me too seriously.

 

[shilsen]

I agree with AuraSeer. Even though the rules don't cover it explicitly, one can extrapolate from the section under "Customizing Your Character" (PHB pg.94), which differentiates between 'inborn qualities' for a dwarf (Con bonus, Cha penalty, darkvison, etc.) and 'cultural features' (stonecunning, attack bonuses vs goblinoids and orcs, fighter as favored class, etc.). Arguably the same should apply to any creature type a character is reincarnated as.

 

[Arcanus]

I'm having trouble with the whole reincarnate thing.

WHY would you come back as lets say a dwarf?
Actually that isn't a problem at all, the problem lies in that
everybody thinks you automatically start at prime adventuring
level. Why on earth wouldn't you start as a baby?

Maybe I'm confusing the issue with stories of people who swear they had past lives, etc....
Does the spell actually create a new form for you at adventuring age? Do you somehow magic jar or possess a creature that is already matured?

I know this is fantasy and all but can someone explain this at all.
Also take in mind that I didn't re-read the spell before posting.

 

[Dimwhit]

I emailed Sage about this one (not that it means much). I had an Elven Rogue who was reincarnated as a Human. I did not lose my elven proficiency with the longbow or longsword, but I did not gain the extra feat humans get and the extra skill point per level of a human. Don't know if that answers the question, but it's a small piece to the puzzle.

My inclination is that you would get the extraordinary abilities, such as improved grab or rake, if it applies, but maybe not feats learned as part of being raised in a certain culture, like the elven bow and longsword proficiency. I guess it's just a DM's call, when you get down to it.

 

[kreynolds]

I emailed Sage about this one (not that it means much). I had an Elven Rogue who was reincarnated as a Human. I did not lose my elven proficiency with the longbow or longsword, but I did not gain the extra feat humans get and the extra skill point per level of a human. Don't know if that answers the question, but it's a small piece to the puzzle.

The Sage also stated that coming back as a brown bear, for example, would take time for you to become accustom to the new form, so you would gain the bear's abilities slowly over time. How much time it takes and how you gain these abilities, is up to the DM. So, hopefully, you're DM isn't a PC killing/power mongering/obssesive compulsive scripted sequence type of DM.

 

[Valicor]

The Sage also stated that coming back as a brown bear, for example, would take time for you to become accustom to the new form, so you would gain the bear's abilities slowly over time. How much time it takes and how you gain these abilities, is up to the DM. So, hopefully, you're DM isn't a PC killing/power mongering/obssesive compulsive scripted sequence type of DM.

I like that idea, it seems to make sense.

 

[kreynolds]

I like that idea, it seems to make sense.

Makes a lot of sense. I don't care how cool someone thinks they are, if they suddenly come back as a tiger, they're gonna have a hellofa time landing on their feet. It just takes time to adjust.

Also, it seems ludicrous that you couldn't figure out how to Pounce if you came back as a tiger or lion or something. What? An infant human (for example) can grow up and learn how to Spring Attack, or Whirlwind, or cleave through countless creatures, or replace the vicious and extraordinarily powerful energy of a fireball with that of cold energy, but a frickin' feline can't learn how to Pounce? I don't think so.

 

[Starbuck]

Does the spell actually create a new form for you at adventuring age? Do you somehow magic jar or possess a creature that is already matured?

The spell creates a new young adult body out of the materials at hand for your soul to inhabit. The "materials at hand" I would guess to be your old dead body since you need it as the target of the spell just like Raise Dead. They couldn't use Raise Dead on me because I was killed by a Slay Living trap (a death effect).