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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 1566690" data-attributes="member: 5202">Uhm dude...hatet o break it to ya but that same info is ALREADY in damn near every RPG book out there produced since the early 90s. The second paragraph is EXACTLY what current books do.&nbsp; &nbsp;BTW I know how RPGs are competitive...it's us against the monsters or us vs the DM (if you prefer the KotD version) *grin* You go on adventures (sometimes in dungeons) and such, kill things, take their goodies...this describes the core of probably 70% of the campaigns out there for ANY system. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why exactly is it that you're trying to do this again? SO far I've seen no one who thinks the game vs hobby thing is an issue and most agree that the connotations implied by hobby (lots of time invested, money, collecting stuff) are less attractive than the ones implied by the word game. Probably less attractive would be a description of the stereotype of a D&amp;D player. Of course, if you then point out yourself and your 6 friends who the individual knows to be decent and interesting people who dont' fit this BO-ridden, socially inept goober description, they won't sweat it.&nbsp; &nbsp;To put it all another way, the burden of proof of a problem with the word game being used as part of the description of our collective hobby (b/c we've all spent WAY too much time and money on this to be JUST a game anymore) is entirely on you and so far the proof is sitting in the corner farthest from the pudding complaining that pudding makes it break out in hives.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hagen</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 1566690, member: 5202"] Uhm dude...hatet o break it to ya but that same info is ALREADY in damn near every RPG book out there produced since the early 90s. The second paragraph is EXACTLY what current books do. BTW I know how RPGs are competitive...it's us against the monsters or us vs the DM (if you prefer the KotD version) *grin* You go on adventures (sometimes in dungeons) and such, kill things, take their goodies...this describes the core of probably 70% of the campaigns out there for ANY system. Why exactly is it that you're trying to do this again? SO far I've seen no one who thinks the game vs hobby thing is an issue and most agree that the connotations implied by hobby (lots of time invested, money, collecting stuff) are less attractive than the ones implied by the word game. Probably less attractive would be a description of the stereotype of a D&D player. Of course, if you then point out yourself and your 6 friends who the individual knows to be decent and interesting people who dont' fit this BO-ridden, socially inept goober description, they won't sweat it. To put it all another way, the burden of proof of a problem with the word game being used as part of the description of our collective hobby (b/c we've all spent WAY too much time and money on this to be JUST a game anymore) is entirely on you and so far the proof is sitting in the corner farthest from the pudding complaining that pudding makes it break out in hives. Hagen [/QUOTE]

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