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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 1574451" data-attributes="member: 2067">But you're ignoring the fact that RPG's *are* games. The *are* competative. They *are* one side vs. another side. Namely, it's the characters vs. the monsters. And the resolution of the conflict brings game rewards -- levels and gold, a 'score' of sorts.&nbsp;This is the basis of D&amp;D, and is the basis of a game. D&amp;D is not inherently about assuming a role in a ficticious world -- that's an elaboration on the basic system, one that I like, and encourage, but it's not D&amp;D. D&amp;D is beating up monsters and taking their stuff. The very first DM was antagonistic, DMing *against* the players, COMPETITIVELY. &nbsp;To give anybody any other impression would be misleading about what D&amp;D, at it's basic level, actually is.&nbsp;Whatever else you want it to be, feel free to experiment and adventure -- D&amp;D and d20 is hardly limited to it's origins. But your round hole won't fit this square peg without you, personally, doing some fiddling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 1574451, member: 2067"] But you're ignoring the fact that RPG's *are* games. The *are* competative. They *are* one side vs. another side. Namely, it's the characters vs. the monsters. And the resolution of the conflict brings game rewards -- levels and gold, a 'score' of sorts. This is the basis of D&D, and is the basis of a game. D&D is not inherently about assuming a role in a ficticious world -- that's an elaboration on the basic system, one that I like, and encourage, but it's not D&D. D&D is beating up monsters and taking their stuff. The very first DM was antagonistic, DMing *against* the players, [b]COMPETITIVELY. [/b] To give anybody any other impression would be misleading about what D&D, at it's basic level, [u]actually is[/u]. Whatever else you want it to be, feel free to experiment and adventure -- D&D and d20 is hardly limited to it's origins. But your round hole won't fit this square peg without you, personally, doing some fiddling. [/QUOTE]

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