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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 7805832" data-attributes="member: 19857"><p>personally I think this is the wrong way to view things, at least from a game sales perspective. Sure to a degree all games are in competition with each other, but that's "at the table play time" and not "sales". Just because both Arkham Horror and Wrath of Ashardalon are options on boardgame night that doesn't mean that I haven't actually given both companies my money.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, most folks who are buying a non-D&D RPG probably have at least a Player's Handbook from some edition on their shelves and probably have played in a D&D campaign - probably within the last few years or so. Also without D&D it's very likely that RPGs as a segment don't even get into game stores - I can remember the dark days of the late 1990s when TSR was dying and not releasing products. It wasn't like White Wolf and Palladium were dancing in the streets because they were picking up the excess orders from folks who couldn't get D&D products. Instead I remember game stores pushing more MtG and Pokemon (and to a lesser extent Warhammer) to try to fill in the gaps in their budgets.</p><p></p><p>Selling RPGs has - with some exceptions - historically been about getting people who play D&D to take a look at your game and play it too. Some of those convert over to never playing D&D again, but I suspect that's rarer than the ones who continue to at least dabble in D&D while playing other games (or dabble in other games while mostly playing D&D).</p><p></p><p>ETA: And thinking about it, right now with the way Wizards sells D&D I think this is even more true. They put out a few books a year, leaving a lot more room than they used to for people to purchase a book from another game line here or there and at least give it a read if not actually play a one shot or miniseries with it. Budget-wise it's a lot easier to justify it now than it has been at any time previous if you were the kind of person who went whole hog into buy everything D&D (except for those aforementioned months when TSR wasn't publishing anything at all prior to Wizards buying them out).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jer, post: 7805832, member: 19857"] personally I think this is the wrong way to view things, at least from a game sales perspective. Sure to a degree all games are in competition with each other, but that's "at the table play time" and not "sales". Just because both Arkham Horror and Wrath of Ashardalon are options on boardgame night that doesn't mean that I haven't actually given both companies my money. Likewise, most folks who are buying a non-D&D RPG probably have at least a Player's Handbook from some edition on their shelves and probably have played in a D&D campaign - probably within the last few years or so. Also without D&D it's very likely that RPGs as a segment don't even get into game stores - I can remember the dark days of the late 1990s when TSR was dying and not releasing products. It wasn't like White Wolf and Palladium were dancing in the streets because they were picking up the excess orders from folks who couldn't get D&D products. Instead I remember game stores pushing more MtG and Pokemon (and to a lesser extent Warhammer) to try to fill in the gaps in their budgets. Selling RPGs has - with some exceptions - historically been about getting people who play D&D to take a look at your game and play it too. Some of those convert over to never playing D&D again, but I suspect that's rarer than the ones who continue to at least dabble in D&D while playing other games (or dabble in other games while mostly playing D&D). ETA: And thinking about it, right now with the way Wizards sells D&D I think this is even more true. They put out a few books a year, leaving a lot more room than they used to for people to purchase a book from another game line here or there and at least give it a read if not actually play a one shot or miniseries with it. Budget-wise it's a lot easier to justify it now than it has been at any time previous if you were the kind of person who went whole hog into buy everything D&D (except for those aforementioned months when TSR wasn't publishing anything at all prior to Wizards buying them out). [/QUOTE]
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