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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7872429" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>No more than Greyhawk is baked into D&D. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And they tend to have a direct connection to Paizo. It is funny how you hand wave actual research on players at large in one sentence and then appeal to the unestablished authority commercial broadcast microcosm in the next.</p><p></p><p>And, of course, Critical Role <em>was</em> a Pathfinder 1E campaign that quite absolutely was not set in Golarion. They changed it to 5E because the system mattered.</p><p></p><p>And also, it is worth noting that the bestseller PF2E AP title on Amazon is currently at #46 <em>in Pathfinder Game</em>. I suppose you could make up an arguement that everybody is buying those exclusively from Paizo. But it would be hard to understand why the Bestiary is so far ahead. You would think anyone buying APs directly from Paizo would buy the bestiary there as well. (Heck, the PF1E bestiary, along with numerous other titles are outselling the AP). Hanging your hat on the AP is a really weak position.</p><p></p><p> You're gonna need that link. I've heard them praise their overall subscription service. But if you look at the range of crunch focused series they produce then you claim seems quite absurd. They don't produce scores of books a year (including multiple major hardbacks) just to solely support their 12 AP annual titles.</p><p></p><p>Sort of. But the core of what you are saying here works. They had a system that alienated players and that hurt sales. So they created a system that did a much better job of appealing to players.</p><p></p><p>You combined an unsubstantiated claim that "complexity" is key with an unsubstantiated short selling of why some people don't like PF2E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7872429, member: 957"] No more than Greyhawk is baked into D&D. And they tend to have a direct connection to Paizo. It is funny how you hand wave actual research on players at large in one sentence and then appeal to the unestablished authority commercial broadcast microcosm in the next. And, of course, Critical Role [I]was[/I] a Pathfinder 1E campaign that quite absolutely was not set in Golarion. They changed it to 5E because the system mattered. And also, it is worth noting that the bestseller PF2E AP title on Amazon is currently at #46 [I]in Pathfinder Game[/I]. I suppose you could make up an arguement that everybody is buying those exclusively from Paizo. But it would be hard to understand why the Bestiary is so far ahead. You would think anyone buying APs directly from Paizo would buy the bestiary there as well. (Heck, the PF1E bestiary, along with numerous other titles are outselling the AP). Hanging your hat on the AP is a really weak position. You're gonna need that link. I've heard them praise their overall subscription service. But if you look at the range of crunch focused series they produce then you claim seems quite absurd. They don't produce scores of books a year (including multiple major hardbacks) just to solely support their 12 AP annual titles. Sort of. But the core of what you are saying here works. They had a system that alienated players and that hurt sales. So they created a system that did a much better job of appealing to players. You combined an unsubstantiated claim that "complexity" is key with an unsubstantiated short selling of why some people don't like PF2E. [/QUOTE]
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