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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7973115" data-attributes="member: 957">I didn't say fail.&nbsp; I asked if you had any evidence of growth.&nbsp; You have not shown any.You are referencing things I have said, and yet you are misrepresenting me. I have said that it is not growing.&nbsp; I have said that it is not achieving the marketshare or fanbase that the successor to PF should have access to.It is possible that growth in players is simply not accompanied by growth in VTT play.&nbsp; But that isn't something one would assume and at best it is a negative sign that you can try to down play.&nbsp; As I specifically stated already....&nbsp; (Unlike you comparing things which have no meaningful comparison and then backtracking)It is still the new sequel to the former #1 RPG.&nbsp; It got a TON of hype and expectation.&nbsp; Nobody is arguing that it didn't sell gangbusters at release.*&nbsp; But being #2 in a field of 2 doesn't really say anything.&nbsp; (And a far distant #2 at that)&nbsp; You brought up CoC of all things.&nbsp; CoC is practically the same game that came out in the early 80s.&nbsp; And yet you are bragging against that?&nbsp; That smacks of confirmation bias right there.Right this moment the core book isn't even #1 in &quot;Pathfinder game&quot;.&nbsp; That honor goes to &quot;The Ultimate RPG backstory guide&quot;.&nbsp; That's a $7 book that seems strange top be tagged in the PF category.&nbsp; It is silly to say that it means anything.&nbsp; But it is a fact that PF2E has been trading back and forth with that title for a few months.&nbsp; And I gotta say that this fact is more meaningful than any comparison to CoC.Forget what you want and what I want.&nbsp; What does the data we have suggest? Or you can stick to the ad hominem approach to deflect away from the topic.* - though it did become the first Paizo major release to not sell out at GenCon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7973115, member: 957"] I didn't say fail. I asked if you had any evidence of growth. You have not shown any. You are referencing things I have said, and yet you are misrepresenting me. I have said that it is not growing. I have said that it is not achieving the marketshare or fanbase that the successor to PF should have access to. It is possible that growth in players is simply not accompanied by growth in VTT play. But that isn't something one would assume and at best it is a negative sign that you can try to down play. As I specifically stated already.... (Unlike you comparing things which have no meaningful comparison and then backtracking) It is still the new sequel to the former #1 RPG. It got a TON of hype and expectation. Nobody is arguing that it didn't sell gangbusters at release.* But being #2 in a field of 2 doesn't really say anything. (And a far distant #2 at that) You brought up CoC of all things. CoC is practically the same game that came out in the early 80s. And yet you are bragging against that? That smacks of confirmation bias right there. Right this moment the core book isn't even #1 in "Pathfinder game". That honor goes to "The Ultimate RPG backstory guide". That's a $7 book that seems strange top be tagged in the PF category. It is silly to say that it means anything. But it is a fact that PF2E has been trading back and forth with that title for a few months. And I gotta say that this fact is more meaningful than any comparison to CoC. Forget what you want and what I want. What does the data we have suggest? Or you can stick to the ad hominem approach to deflect away from the topic. * - though it did become the first Paizo major release to not sell out at GenCon. [/QUOTE]

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