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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7978409" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Yeah, the point being that there were so many fans of D&D that didn't carry the tag of "4E fans" that there was more than plenty of room for PF to take over.</p><p>Keep in mind that there were plenty of 3X fans were dissatisfied with 4E but had been away from 3X for a couple years by the time PF came around and simply didn't want to resume that system either. So 4E lost so many fans that you could take a subset of that departure and still come out ahead of what was left.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not at all accurate. But whatever. It is ancient history.</p><p>They tied within a year, and though 4E took back #1, they were right there neck and neck. The 800 lb gorilla suddenly had a twin almost right away and THEN then twin got bigger. (or at least was the bigger of the two)</p><p>I certainly agree that 4E cratered all by itself and didn't need any help from Pathfinder.</p><p>But that "neck and neck" point came within a year. 4E fans were still in denial at that point. (A situation repeating itself right now) But nobody playing PF (or anything other than 4E really) was the least bit surprised in 2010. And we were saying it was coming as early as 2009.</p><p></p><p>Well, yeah. That isn't what you said before though. Your exact words were "the fact that 4e was selling better than Pathfinder for most of the run ". That is what I replied to.</p><p></p><p> I completely agree with PF didn't grow the market.. This is EXACTLY what I kept repeating back then. 4E was supposed to grow the market and I kept saying that the market pretty much would not grow.</p><p>I've noted several times that 5E has changed that paradigm. And I'm really impressed by that.</p><p>But in the Pre-5E days I repeatedly talked about the only market growth would be roughly the same percentage of a growing overall population. It is nice to see you've come around to seeing that was true at the time.</p><p></p><p>Your lack of memory of it is noted. Paizo had fun noted all the times that Pathfinder was getting called out on TV and comics etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7978409, member: 957"] Yeah, the point being that there were so many fans of D&D that didn't carry the tag of "4E fans" that there was more than plenty of room for PF to take over. Keep in mind that there were plenty of 3X fans were dissatisfied with 4E but had been away from 3X for a couple years by the time PF came around and simply didn't want to resume that system either. So 4E lost so many fans that you could take a subset of that departure and still come out ahead of what was left. That's not at all accurate. But whatever. It is ancient history. They tied within a year, and though 4E took back #1, they were right there neck and neck. The 800 lb gorilla suddenly had a twin almost right away and THEN then twin got bigger. (or at least was the bigger of the two) I certainly agree that 4E cratered all by itself and didn't need any help from Pathfinder. But that "neck and neck" point came within a year. 4E fans were still in denial at that point. (A situation repeating itself right now) But nobody playing PF (or anything other than 4E really) was the least bit surprised in 2010. And we were saying it was coming as early as 2009. Well, yeah. That isn't what you said before though. Your exact words were "the fact that 4e was selling better than Pathfinder for most of the run ". That is what I replied to. I completely agree with PF didn't grow the market.. This is EXACTLY what I kept repeating back then. 4E was supposed to grow the market and I kept saying that the market pretty much would not grow. I've noted several times that 5E has changed that paradigm. And I'm really impressed by that. But in the Pre-5E days I repeatedly talked about the only market growth would be roughly the same percentage of a growing overall population. It is nice to see you've come around to seeing that was true at the time. Your lack of memory of it is noted. Paizo had fun noted all the times that Pathfinder was getting called out on TV and comics etc. [/QUOTE]
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