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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7980706" data-attributes="member: 957">But there is no need to mention it at all.  Nobody is suggesting otherwise.  It comes off as saying "well, OBVIOUSLY it was going to fail, 5E was an impossible standard."  There is no other reason to even bring it up.  It sounds like an effort to get out in front of bad news and make it sound less bad.I would like to see what they say at Paizocon and if they have any thoughts toward expanding the appeal of the game.The only people talking about wanting more options, IME, are people who ARE playing but do want more.  I'm sure that you can find exceptions.  But the "tried it and moved on group" is well bigger than the "excited but completely refuse to buy or play because we need more options" group.  Paizo has made a big deal about how there are way more options in the PF2E core than there were in the PF Core.  And yet PF boomed without those options.  Do you really see the future of PF2E hanging in the balance based on fans who are that marginal?It seems like grasping at straws there.</blockquote>