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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7981394" data-attributes="member: 957">Ultimately, there is little way to argue with this.But there are some things to consider. If you look at PF vs. 3.5, PF embraces the over the top magic implicit in 3.5 and runs with it.  It is little things like tweaks to sorcerers, but they kinda "turned it to 11".  And there were people who complained that PF embraced the worst of 3.5*.  But overall it seemed to resonate.  They didn't come up with the chili recipe, but they added a pinch of one new seasoning and made it even more popular.  After all, it did last for nearly a decade AFTER 3.5.  That is an achievement.And the APG was an extremely well received book.  There are a lot of things in there that are purely PF and are now iconic. But all that came out fast.  It seems that we got the "greatest hits" of everything the staff have developed, played, and refined throughout the 3X days prior to PF, just cleaned up and aligned to one clear baseline.After that, they were "fine".  I have all the Ultimates books.  I do reference them peridically.  There is some really good stuff in there.  But you have to dig a bit.  I have joked that every title was 5% less awesome.  But, clearly, that is just my own opinion. It is like when you hear of a band that plays the local circuit for a decade and suddenly gets famous.  They have 5 great songs on their first album, but these are all songs they wrote over that decade.  Asking them to crank out album #2 is a challenge.  Some bands can step up and others struggle.So I guess I think it is somewhere in between.  Maybe they didn't have the chops.  Maybe they did.  I think the 4E is deign team has a great resume, the post mortem on 4E not withstanding.  Assumptions you make about how a game will come together when you start design appear to be as important as "chops".* - It always stuck in my head that somebody on these forums back then described that they didn't like PF even though they did like 3.5 because PF had increased the "woo hoo!".  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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