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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 8083373" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Only you can tell anyone what you <em>meant</em>. Here is what you <em>said</em>: "I do feel like the APG release is going to be the next real telling point for 2e. That was really the turning point for PF1 and it could really be the same for PF2. Not that it will catch 5e that isn't happening, but where it establishes itself."</p><p></p><p>There is a difference between a "data point" and a "real telling point". It isn't ambiguous that the difference in phrasing is meaningful. </p><p></p><p>Every reference to 5E just comes across as an admission of defeat. As has been stated numerous times in this thread, nobody anywhere is expecting PF2E to match 5E. But there is plenty of evidence that it is NOT taking off as the next huge game. The fact that it is SELLING #2 is pretty meaningless. PF was #2 until SF came out and then stayed in #3 slot until PF2E was announced. And PF was dying. So simply pointing at being a far distant #2 does nothing to show that PF2E has caught on in the way that a game with that brand on it could have.</p><p></p><p>But, that aside, this "telling point" has come. The sales of the core book are down from when the quote was first posted and there is no general evidence that the player base is growing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 8083373, member: 957"] Only you can tell anyone what you [I]meant[/I]. Here is what you [I]said[/I]: "I do feel like the APG release is going to be the next real telling point for 2e. That was really the turning point for PF1 and it could really be the same for PF2. Not that it will catch 5e that isn't happening, but where it establishes itself." There is a difference between a "data point" and a "real telling point". It isn't ambiguous that the difference in phrasing is meaningful. Every reference to 5E just comes across as an admission of defeat. As has been stated numerous times in this thread, nobody anywhere is expecting PF2E to match 5E. But there is plenty of evidence that it is NOT taking off as the next huge game. The fact that it is SELLING #2 is pretty meaningless. PF was #2 until SF came out and then stayed in #3 slot until PF2E was announced. And PF was dying. So simply pointing at being a far distant #2 does nothing to show that PF2E has caught on in the way that a game with that brand on it could have. But, that aside, this "telling point" has come. The sales of the core book are down from when the quote was first posted and there is no general evidence that the player base is growing. [/QUOTE]
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