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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8195960" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Let's talk about your second point. I am not saying what you think I am saying. I am not saying it was selling in the 1000-2000 range up until 2014. I am saying we only have data from CamelCamelCamel going BACK TO 2014. But from 2014-2018, for that entire four year period, PF1 was selling in the 1000-2000 range. In other words, until Paizo announced PF2, PF1 was selling in the 1000-2000 range.</p><p></p><p>The RPG market was not, in any way, "completely different" in 2018. All the factors in play in 2018 were in play in the month prior to Covid, for instance. So no, I'll repeat: PF2 after only a few months is now selling lower than PF1 was selling, right up until the end of PF1 when PF2 was announced. Not four years ago (though ALSO four years ago), but JUST PRIOR. </p><p></p><p>As for your third point, it's not correct. PF1 core rulebook is what was selling in the 1000-2000 range when 2e was announced. That's a fact. You can see it on the CamelCamelCamel chart I posted (though admittedly it's difficult to be precise, that's roughly the range). It was not doing "far worse in a good market" it was doing "far better". That's why I am talking about it. </p><p></p><p>To return to your first point, I think it's impossible to pin this on pricing issues. Amazon prices rise and fall, and Erik Mona has commented on that issue on Reddit, but over time you get a fair picture. We have FOUR FULL YEARS of data for PF1, and now we have all the data of PF2, and the trend lines all remain consistent regardless of occasional spikes and dips in pricing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8195960, member: 2525"] Let's talk about your second point. I am not saying what you think I am saying. I am not saying it was selling in the 1000-2000 range up until 2014. I am saying we only have data from CamelCamelCamel going BACK TO 2014. But from 2014-2018, for that entire four year period, PF1 was selling in the 1000-2000 range. In other words, until Paizo announced PF2, PF1 was selling in the 1000-2000 range. The RPG market was not, in any way, "completely different" in 2018. All the factors in play in 2018 were in play in the month prior to Covid, for instance. So no, I'll repeat: PF2 after only a few months is now selling lower than PF1 was selling, right up until the end of PF1 when PF2 was announced. Not four years ago (though ALSO four years ago), but JUST PRIOR. As for your third point, it's not correct. PF1 core rulebook is what was selling in the 1000-2000 range when 2e was announced. That's a fact. You can see it on the CamelCamelCamel chart I posted (though admittedly it's difficult to be precise, that's roughly the range). It was not doing "far worse in a good market" it was doing "far better". That's why I am talking about it. To return to your first point, I think it's impossible to pin this on pricing issues. Amazon prices rise and fall, and Erik Mona has commented on that issue on Reddit, but over time you get a fair picture. We have FOUR FULL YEARS of data for PF1, and now we have all the data of PF2, and the trend lines all remain consistent regardless of occasional spikes and dips in pricing. [/QUOTE]
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