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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8781066" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>The "Reframing" comment was directed to DarkCrisis, who felt the need to clarify that Gygax didn't write the book and was gone from TSR when it was written.</p><p></p><p>And yeah... there is a difference between those three things.</p><p></p><p>"Huge Tracts of Land" was a joke meant to undercut the clearly sexist gesture the king was making with the reference to land as dowry which is, of course, what a king in charge of a sinking castle in a swamp is after when it comes to marrying off his son to a girl from a wealthy family.</p><p></p><p>The second one and the third one are just different expressions of bigotry. One's "More Polite" than the other. But the effect of both results in the same end. Just a question of how fast you're moving toward the finish line.</p><p></p><p>"I don't hate (insert minority group here) but they're different in an important and indelible way that makes them less suited for (insert activity here)" is still ignorant bigotry. And it still leads to the same exclusionary attitudes that lead to Reddit and 4Chan and other RPG forums we don't like to talk about because of how outright bigoted they can be.</p><p></p><p>And, again, the whole thing spawned from me say "The more I learn about the earliest creators of D&D" which isn't JUST GREENWOOD or JUST GYGAX or JUST ARNESON but all of them, together.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8781066, member: 6796468"] The "Reframing" comment was directed to DarkCrisis, who felt the need to clarify that Gygax didn't write the book and was gone from TSR when it was written. And yeah... there is a difference between those three things. "Huge Tracts of Land" was a joke meant to undercut the clearly sexist gesture the king was making with the reference to land as dowry which is, of course, what a king in charge of a sinking castle in a swamp is after when it comes to marrying off his son to a girl from a wealthy family. The second one and the third one are just different expressions of bigotry. One's "More Polite" than the other. But the effect of both results in the same end. Just a question of how fast you're moving toward the finish line. "I don't hate (insert minority group here) but they're different in an important and indelible way that makes them less suited for (insert activity here)" is still ignorant bigotry. And it still leads to the same exclusionary attitudes that lead to Reddit and 4Chan and other RPG forums we don't like to talk about because of how outright bigoted they can be. And, again, the whole thing spawned from me say "The more I learn about the earliest creators of D&D" which isn't JUST GREENWOOD or JUST GYGAX or JUST ARNESON but all of them, together. [/QUOTE]
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