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I just read your article on why folk's don't buy PDF's. I must admit I am guilty of that I wait until they are out in a printed form.

Why spend the extra 10 bucks. Well I know that some of the stuff is very good. But I like the idea of buying a product which is professonally bound. It just bugs me to pay for a PDF (maybe that is old fasioned but I feel that way and so do many customers. I for one am disappointed that Cry Havic will be several months before it is out in print. I hope that more publishers will put out print versions of good PDF's.
 

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Morrus,

I agree, there's a lot of good PDF stuff out there. But I still can't bring myself to consider PDF-publishing as "on par" with hard copy.

I mean this as no disrespect to PDF writers/publishers. There are some truly excellent products out there. But...

I can't address the reasons why other people don't purchase many PDFs; I can only go into my own reasons.

1) As mentioned, it's difficult to browse PDFs before you buy them. I won't pick up an RPG book based solely on the cover and blurb without at least a quick flip-through, unless it's something I already know I want.

2) Part of me rebels at the notion for paying for a product that I can't hold in my hands. I know that, in this day and age of the Internet, that's at least somewhat an outdated notion, but it's still there, nonetheless.

3) There is, of course, the convenience issue; even if the total cost may be lower, I don't want to have to print out 60 pages to reference the book during a game. And no, I don't have a laptop, and would refuse to use them during the game even if I did.

4) Perhaps the biggest impediment, however, is the fact there's no assurance of quality on a PDF.

Now, before you yell at me, I know there's never any true assurance of quality. We've all seen some print books that were real stinkers. But the truth is, it's easy--some might say too easy--to publish a PDF. To publish a print product, you have to either find a publisher who likes it, or be so sure of your idea that you're willing to devote thousands of dollars to a print run. PDFs have neither of those barriers to entry; you don't need to find a developer/publisher who likes the stuff you've produced, nor do you have to output any enormous amounts of capital.

The good PDF stuff is on par with the good printed stuff--I don't want anyone to think I'm saying otherwise. But the problem is there's nothing to impede the tide of personal projects that simply aren't up to professional quality.

Certain companies and certain names, of course, can be trusted. With, say, Monte Cook or Silverthorne, you know largely what to expect, and I've heard some good things about many of the PDF publishers we have as members here on EN World. In terms of just picking up PDFs sight unseen, however, they simply cannot compare to picking up a hard copy product, because you never know if you're looking at one of the gems, or one of the folks who thought they could sell their homebrew from high school.

PS: It should go without saying, but all this is in my experience only, and should not be assumed to apply to anyone else.
 
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For my money, I have had at least as good of luck with .pdfs as I have with bound volumes. The several advantages include:

1) Less cost (usually you can find them cheaper than printed volumes -- if they cost as much, DON'T BUY THEM!

2) Less space! I live in a small apartment -- after a while, space is a premium.

3) If you spill something on your book it is gone... ;)

Admittedly most of the rpg books I pick up are for reference, rather than for direct play, thus I can browse the .pdf at my leisure with no real change from a print book.

I also am a big fan of waiting until I either hear/see a review and/or find an author I can trust. For example, I didn't pick up Magical Medieval Society until I had seen three very positive reviews; conversely, I generally know that I can trust material put out by Monte Cook to be of a highly professional level as well as having intriguing ideas, thus I tend to pick his up just on account of because ;)

Yeah, there are some dogs out there. Then again, the splat books from WotC were no great shakes either.

And having three backups of everything on my computer means I have yet to lose a document :D
 

What about printing them out? I don't have a printer that prints double sided, so I waste a lot of paper. I guess I can just print the even pages, and then odd, or vice versa. I have some PDF products and I like them.

Most people who complaint about PDFs is the printing and convience, I have never heard of the quality being a concern. But that is just the circles I run with I guess...
 

I'll buy any pdf that fits in my campaign and has received very good reviews, but that's largely because I have unfettered access to really nice printers at work. The criteria is pretty much the same for hardbacks...I don't spend much time standing around at the FLGS, but I'll drive down there after reading a great review.

I recently bought Cry Havok (consider this my very good review, if you don't have it yet), and I intend to get Magical Medival Society and Tournaments, Fairs and Taverns as we get closer to my campaign start date.

I also buy hardbacks as needed (recent winners are Dangerous Denizens and the Green Ronin Character Record Folio), but I'm definitely a satisfied pdf buyer and will continue to accumulate them as long as they are of high quality.

SJ
 

I'll buy PDFs - when I can buy them as an added-cost extra to go with the hardcopy version of the product.

For posterity and general usability I want physical books. Sorry, I'm the consumer and it's my preference, and I don't have to explain myself beyond that. I would however love to be able to spend a couple extra bucks and get the softcopy as well to keep a searchable version on a laptop for carrying to games. Much as I love hardcopy books, they're heavy in the quantities I own.

So I really want both, but if I have to choose as I do now, hardcopy wins every time.

So why not buy PDF and print them out? The quality can't match up to a professionally-done book, and they always just feel shoddy no matter how much I spend at Kinkos getting them bound.

PDFs are a great option and I'm glad they're around, but they usually don't fit with my buying criteria, that's all.
 

I can tell you that as a paralegal there will always be a request for things to be in paper form. Even though electronic data is cheaper, always available provided there is a PC, and takes up less space, attorneys almost always want to touch the documents, put them in piles, and organize them as they see fit.

PDF's just don't offer the same security that a physical representation of the information does. It's unfortunate for those selling PDFs, but it's true and I'm sure those selling PDF's already know what they are up against.
 

The ones I really like I usually print out myself, but for those of you who have taken them to a Kinkos type place, whats the average cost of having them printed and bound?
 
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I love PDFs. The product quality is very high and very inexpensive. I am curious at why so many people print out their PDFs, given that most PDFs are refrence work why not leave them on your computer? As I generaly write my adventures on my computer this is invaluable and saves me from having a pile of books laying next to my workspace.

I even find adventures are fine in PDF form, I just print out the sections as I think I need them, which can be nice as well, since say if you were running the Banewarrens,(probably the largest PDF adventure I know of) and wanted to add some rooms etc, you can print and insert your material right with the printed adventure. I hate shuffling from different books, I think it gives an unorganized appearance which cuts down on player immersion, and find it is easier to go to a game armed with a large spiral notebook filled with the PDF adventure section, my own notes, and juicy bits of the SRD.

Did I mention PDFs are cheap. I fried my harddrive about a year ago, lost everything on it including many PDFs. Beyond chiding myself for not backing up the relevant files, I was able to replace all my Malhavoc PDFs for around $20. Burn your hardbound core books and do that.

Given an option between hardbound books and a cheaper PDF version I would go with the PDF first. Frankly I dont know why more larger publishers offer PDFs, in many cases people might buy the product twice,(once in PDF, another in hardbound).

I would buy more gaming products from large publishers if they released more PDF forms of their books. Perhaps they dont realize how prevalent internet usage is:

70% of housholds in US have Internet
13% of housholds,(39 million) have broadband, up 49% from 2002
and with the proliferation of broadband carriers and the affordabiltiy of the service,(40 bucks a month), I would assume the percentage increase to increase by an order of magnitude.
 

satori01 said:
I am curious at why so many people print out their PDFs, given that most PDFs are refrence work why not leave them on your computer?

In my experience there are two phases to using a new RPG book. The first is carrying it around for a few weeks reading it at lunch, on the bus, at your boring mother-in-law's boring dinner party, etc - sucking it all in, understanding the systems and inspiration therein, and just basically grokking it all. The second is actually *using* the book as reference in a game.

For the first phase, I cannot do that with an electronic version. Just doesn't work for me. It doesn't matter whether it's an RPG book or an IBM technical redbook - big documents get printed out so they can be read. No matter how they keep improving the Acrobat reader, it's just not a comfortable way to consume a document. Your mileage may vary, but for me it's definite second-class citizen status compared to a good hardcopy. I can't be alone in this sentiment, as electronic books aren't the tiniest percentage of paper book sales for anything beyond technical reference manuals. I hear they're doing wonderful things with reading enhancement technology on TabletPCs in this area, but I'm not blessed with one, and a laptop is a pale imitation, so I'm out of luck.

The second phase is perfectly suited to an electronic format, since you're not "reading and flipping" through hundreds of electronic pages to find what you want, and you have search capability to get you where you need to be quickly.

So, for me at least, that's why I print my PDFs.
 
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