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Printing .pdfs at Staples

for those of you who have taken them to a Kinkos type place, whats the average cost of having them printed and bound?
As an experiment, I took Evil Dead: Swallow This! and Terminator: Future Fate to Staples to get printed. It's like $10 to get it bound with a black cover on the back and a transparent protective cover on the front. They would not print the books double-sided. Black and white printing cost 7 cents/page and color printing cost 99 cents/page. Turns out the woman at the counter screwed up and printed an entire book in color, so she gave it to me for the black and white rate.

The two books came out to around $35 to print out.
 

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alsih2o said:
i like pdf's, but i don't thinkit matters whether i like them or not as i believe they are the future.

people who complain about pdf's remind me of people who complained about radio, tv, or computers. it is coming, it iwll rule the market and we might as well get used to it :)
I doubt electronic media will replace books. I just don't see it happening.
 

ForceUser said:
I doubt electronic media will replace books. I just don't see it happening.
Replace? As in there are no more books, only electronic versions?

There I agree -- at least, not for a LONG time. We still use horses. Just only for very specialized tasks that they remain better at than automobiles. But when you want to get from point A to point B, there are almost no advantages to using a horse, and therefore nobody does.

Right now we're at the stage where there are still lots of advantages to using a book -- it's hard to beat for portability and reliability, for example. But there are advantages to electronic media and as problems get solved the list of advantages will grow. E-books (be they pdfs or html whatever format you like) serve in specialized uses (like making it possible for a DM to carry their entire bookshelf on a harddrive) where the existing advantages outweigh the drawbacks.

We use books for all sorts of purposes -- some e-books will easily fulfill, some e-books may never fulfill. It's not a simple "replace or die" formula.

...

I think my next bad guy will have that as his recurring melodramatic pronouncement.

"Replace or Die!"
 

I think anyone that tries to compare a paper product to a pdf is missing the point. You can't compare them. It's apples against oranges. Both fit a specific purpose. Paper has the advantage of having been around for a very long time and, as such, has a better following and familiarity. Pdfs will never be mainstream, even among gamers because the majority do not have internet access or are not aware of the existence of gaming pdf files. Shocking, isn't it?

I actually like both formats. I like to be able to pick up and read a book. But I also like to be able to search a pdf and print out only the parts I need for gaming purposes. There are things a pdf can do that a print product cannot. Just look at Dire Kobold for a good example. The technology involved with pdfs is improving and it is only a matter of time until pdfs can do some really cool things that are only being talked about today. Once that happens, I think pdfs will gain more acceptance than they have now. Today, most people just look at a pdf as though it is an electronic document to be read like Word, which is really missing the point regarding the versatility of pdfs.

And for the record, there are some damn professional looking and high quality amateur pdfs out there (Deep Magic immediately comes to mind) that I would match against some of the best professional stuff. Equally, there are some "professional" pdfs whose layout, form and quality are so bad that they would qualify for a "golden turkey" award (and I won't name those).
 

Umbran said:


While doing something that could not be done in print might interest me more in pdfs, this particular feature I wouldn't trust very far. Balancing encounters is still as much art as science, and I don't trust a computer to do it well.

All the scaling is done in advance by a human being. There are no "algorithms" for scaling, nor is there any randomness. And I agree it is more art than science.
 

Ghostwind said:
Today, most people just look at a pdf as though it is an electronic document to be read like Word, which is really missing the point regarding the versatility of pdfs.
No, they're not missing the point at all. Currently, virtually every pdf *is* designed to be read like Word. Until these "versatile" pdfs come to the forefront, people will continue to think of them as they do now (and rightfully so, I might add).
 

My 2 cents...

If writers of adventures really want to make a business out of selling PDF adventures...I will give the following recommendations and parallels to consider.

I can think of many service websites....places that provided a information product...that started for free then progressed to charging for membership once the site reputation and quality was a known product.

For example, I highly doubt I will buy or subscribe to a website that provides me even as much as 1 adventure a week. Having said that....if a website becomes a central location for "free" or demo PDF adventures. I will sign up providing email (basically the beginnings of a membership). After a few months of trying the PDFs by various authors and becoming convinced it is a great site and worth supporting....THEN if asked for a monthly fee or a per adventure fee I WOULD pay happily.

(p.s. This is what historically happened with most fantasy football websites, and many stock tracking/news service websites)

Anyway....not sure for other people, and its just my opinion, but that is what will get me paying for PDFs.

Forsythe

(First...provide the drug to the user for free....then once hooked, start charging)
 


satori01 said:
I fried my harddrive about a year ago, lost everything on it including many PDFs. Beyond chiding myself for not backing up the relevant files, I was able to replace all my Malhavoc PDFs for around $20. Burn your hardbound core books and do that.

It actually should/could have been free if you bought them from http://www.RPGNow.com - we have records of all sales even years ago and can supply you with new download links in the case of these issues as long as you prove you are who you say you are :)

James
 

CarlZog said:
Given the choice, I'll stick to buying printed products.

A point no one seems to be covering here is that there is a ton of great original and very useful material in PDF format that isn't and may never be in print format. So you're not given a choice 75% of the time.

Why publishers don't caugh up the $30 or so it takes to make 10 books to sell at RPGMall.com is beyond me... If more of them did then more of you anti-printout people would have nothing to complain about and all would be happy :)

James
 

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