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<blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5248925" data-attributes="member: 46713"><p>When reading MM3 I noticed several monsters which seemed familiar, but when I checked, they were all different variants of previously released monsters (e.g. Norkers, Sons of Kyuss). All except one:</p><p></p><p>Enigma of Vecna (Controller Level 6) first appeared in 'Thunderspire Labyrinth' and is reprinted in MM3 with updated attack bonuses and damage. Here's a comparison of the different attacks:</p><p></p><p>Thunderspire Labyrinth:</p><p>- Dagger: +12 vs. AC; 1d4+1 damage</p><p>- Shock Bolt: +10 vs. Ref; 1d6+5 damage</p><p>- Memory Ripper: +10 vs. Will; 1d10+5 psychic damage</p><p>- Horrific Visage: +10 vs. Will; 1d8+3 psychic damage</p><p>- Rend Flesh: +9 vs. AC; 2d8+5 damage</p><p></p><p>MM3:</p><p>- Dagger: +11 vs. AC; 2d4+7 damage</p><p>- Shock Bolt: +9 vs. Ref; 1d10+5 damage</p><p>- Memory Ripper: +10 vs. Will; 1d6+5 psychic damage</p><p>- Horrific Visage: +10 vs. Will; 1d8+3 psychic damage</p><p>- Rend Flesh: +11 vs. AC; 2d12+5 damage</p><p></p><p>So, the basic melee attack (Dagger) has significantly increased damage but a reduced attack bonus. Similar changes have been made to shock bolt.</p><p></p><p>Interestingly, Memory Ripper, their signature attack (it prevents the target from using daily or encounter attacks) has lower damage than before!</p><p></p><p>Horrific Visage is completely unchanged.</p><p></p><p>Rend Flesh has increased accuracy and damage, which is most likely, because Enigmas basically turn into brutes when bloodied, and brutes' attack bonus has been increased.</p><p></p><p>Considering we're only looking at a level 6 monster, these changes should definitely be noticable in play.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Has anyone else noticed a monster that has been reprinted/revised?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jhaelen, post: 5248925, member: 46713"] When reading MM3 I noticed several monsters which seemed familiar, but when I checked, they were all different variants of previously released monsters (e.g. Norkers, Sons of Kyuss). All except one: Enigma of Vecna (Controller Level 6) first appeared in 'Thunderspire Labyrinth' and is reprinted in MM3 with updated attack bonuses and damage. Here's a comparison of the different attacks: Thunderspire Labyrinth: - Dagger: +12 vs. AC; 1d4+1 damage - Shock Bolt: +10 vs. Ref; 1d6+5 damage - Memory Ripper: +10 vs. Will; 1d10+5 psychic damage - Horrific Visage: +10 vs. Will; 1d8+3 psychic damage - Rend Flesh: +9 vs. AC; 2d8+5 damage MM3: - Dagger: +11 vs. AC; 2d4+7 damage - Shock Bolt: +9 vs. Ref; 1d10+5 damage - Memory Ripper: +10 vs. Will; 1d6+5 psychic damage - Horrific Visage: +10 vs. Will; 1d8+3 psychic damage - Rend Flesh: +11 vs. AC; 2d12+5 damage So, the basic melee attack (Dagger) has significantly increased damage but a reduced attack bonus. Similar changes have been made to shock bolt. Interestingly, Memory Ripper, their signature attack (it prevents the target from using daily or encounter attacks) has lower damage than before! Horrific Visage is completely unchanged. Rend Flesh has increased accuracy and damage, which is most likely, because Enigmas basically turn into brutes when bloodied, and brutes' attack bonus has been increased. Considering we're only looking at a level 6 monster, these changes should definitely be noticable in play. Has anyone else noticed a monster that has been reprinted/revised? [/QUOTE]
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