D&D 4E Request for 4E Dwarves

[Primitive Screwhead]

Just a minor request for those WOTC folks around here...

Please please use a unified mechanic for your races. For instance, the 3e Dwarf is a weird critter.. medium sized but small sized.. and has lots of special rules to reflect that.

In a HR Thread some time back regarding the 'Powerful Build' feat it came up that a small sized Dwarf with Powerful Build was mechanically equivilent to the RAW medium Dwarf.

Just makes it easier to run games if the same mechanic is used for similar situations

Thanks!

 

[hong]

What "special rules" for dwarves are there in 3E?

 

[Frostmarrow]

What "special rules" for dwarves are there in 3E?

They are slow like small critters but they don't get even slower when wearing medium or heavy armor.

 

[grimslade]

Medium size but 20' move. No encumbrance penalties in Heavy Armor.
Those are the only exceptions I see in the RAW. Feats from other sources are more a problem with the feat than the dwarf.

 

[hong]

I never saw the 20' move as because they were "small". I saw it as because they were "chunky".

 

[Frostmarrow]

I never saw the 20' move as because they were "small". I saw it as because they were "chunky".

But they are deadly on short distances. Of course Aragon runs first and then Legolas but it seems to me Gimli is able to keep up most of the time.

 

[Aust Diamondew]

Dwarves I don't think are mechanically odd.

I find your proposed fix however, small size plus powerful build very odd and it would make dwarves even stronger than they are now (except for reduced speed in armor).

Powerful build wasn't introduced to later books, so its not like when they made the PHB it was mechanically inconsistent. So if anything creatures with powerful build should be altered.

 

[hong]

But they are deadly on short distances. Of course Aragon runs first and then Legolas but it seems to me Gimli is able to keep up most of the time.

I reckon Gimli was just trolling with that short distances jibe.

 

[Primitive Screwhead]

Dwarves I don't think are mechanically odd.

I find your proposed fix however, small size plus powerful build very odd and it would make dwarves even stronger than they are now (except for reduced speed in armor).

Powerful build wasn't introduced to later books, so its not like when they made the PHB it was mechanically inconsistent. So if anything creatures with powerful build should be altered.

Perhaps I used the wrong example

I am asking for an attempt to look forward, instead of making stuff a special racial ability.. design it as a feat/template. That way if another critter fits the same criteria they can use the predesigned mechanic instead of creating Yet Another Variant that GM's have to keep track of.
I figure either the Dwarf is odd.. or the Goliath, since both of them are stocky creatures mechanically treated as if they are larger than thier height/breadth would normally indicate.
IMHO, Powerful Build is the better way to do that.
{instead of using a 'gets racial bonus to hit vs this list of creatures even if your particular dwarf never has seen one in its life... and other 'oddities' }

YMMV..

 

[Mighty Veil]

No female dwarves.