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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9176858" data-attributes="member: 7006">This is a claim that several people tend to make, but I do not recall this ever actually being the case.&nbsp; You make it seem like it was Wizard players that sounded the clarion call to people not accepting 4E-- like the game's failure was their fault because they didn't like the &quot;balanced comparison&quot; between the Wizard class and the Martial power source.&nbsp; But I don't think that is true at all.ALL types of players did not like 4E.&nbsp; Not because the Martial and Arcane power sources were now more balanced to each other... but because the 4E game play itself and the focus of the grid-based combat game play was different than what players expected or wanted.&nbsp; There were plenty of people who LOVED playing Fighters who HATED playing 4E because of the way the game of 4E played.&nbsp; And the loss of so-called &quot;Wizard power&quot; had nothing to do with it.Quite frankly... over the past 20 years I have heard MANY MORE &quot;Wizard haters&quot; constantly complaining about the power of Wizards than I ever heard of Wizard players &quot;rioting&quot; or even merely complaining that in 4E they were &quot;less powerful&quot;.&nbsp; And to be honest... if all of (general) you Wizard haters haven't rioted yourselves yet about Wizards being supposedly overpowered... it is quite a leap to state that is was the Wizard lovers are the ones who did.Maybe all of (general) you should try rioting yourselves to get what you want, if you really think it went so well for the Wizards fans to regain what they had lost.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9176858, member: 7006"] This is a claim that several people tend to make, but I do not recall this ever actually being the case. You make it seem like it was Wizard players that sounded the clarion call to people not accepting 4E-- like the game's failure was their fault because they didn't like the "balanced comparison" between the Wizard class and the Martial power source. But I don't think that is true at all. ALL types of players did not like 4E. Not because the Martial and Arcane power sources were now more balanced to each other... but because the 4E game play itself and the focus of the grid-based combat game play was different than what players expected or wanted. There were plenty of people who LOVED playing Fighters who HATED playing 4E because of the way the game of 4E played. And the loss of so-called "Wizard power" had nothing to do with it. Quite frankly... over the past 20 years I have heard MANY MORE "Wizard haters" constantly complaining about the power of Wizards than I ever heard of Wizard players "rioting" or even merely complaining that in 4E they were "less powerful". And to be honest... if all of (general) you Wizard haters [I]haven't[/I] rioted yourselves yet about Wizards being supposedly overpowered... it is quite a leap to state that is was the Wizard lovers are the ones who did. Maybe all of (general) you should try rioting yourselves to get what you want, if you really think it went so well for the Wizards fans to regain what they had lost. [/QUOTE]

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