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<blockquote data-quote="haakon1" data-source="post: 9178623" data-attributes="member: 25619"><p>Your experience - with an edition I’m guessing you last played in 2007? - is very different than mine, with the edition I love best and still run.</p><p></p><p>I have never seen, with me as DM or player:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">an all caster campaign</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a Tome of Battle/Book of the Seven Swords character. This book came out in August 2006. 4e came out in August 2007. It’s a book from “publish anything just to carryover sales until the new edition is published lameduck part” of this edition. Other editions had this regretable period too. So much of the vitriol at 3x from haters focuses on this book.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a player character with more than 3 classes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a player character with classes from more than 2 books</li> </ul><p></p><p>About the banhammer, I think I agree. But I have always taken the same approach with 3x that I took with AD&D: </p><p>Core Rules only (PHB, DMG, MM’s/FF, Legends & Lore, setting books)</p><p></p><p>Plus whatever the DM wants to add. I take stuff from AD&D, 5e, Harn, PF1, all over.</p><p></p><p>Plus whatever a player wants to add that’s requested and approved. Whether that’s from an official splatbook or 3PP or homebrew, it’s all OK if it’s good. And the word-for-word details need to be typed out on the character sheet, with the source cited, so it can be verified and used in game. Usually this has been feats, but also a custom class. In debating if something is “good”, it’s less the rule of cool than “does it make sense”. The player who wanted hoplite feats called “Shield and Spear” to use a longspear and a shield and “Near and Far” to use a longspear from the second rank referred me to a history book with illustrations from Greek pottery. His sales pitch was approved!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="haakon1, post: 9178623, member: 25619"] Your experience - with an edition I’m guessing you last played in 2007? - is very different than mine, with the edition I love best and still run. I have never seen, with me as DM or player: [LIST] [*]an all caster campaign [*]a Tome of Battle/Book of the Seven Swords character. This book came out in August 2006. 4e came out in August 2007. It’s a book from “publish anything just to carryover sales until the new edition is published lameduck part” of this edition. Other editions had this regretable period too. So much of the vitriol at 3x from haters focuses on this book. [*]a player character with more than 3 classes [*]a player character with classes from more than 2 books [/LIST] About the banhammer, I think I agree. But I have always taken the same approach with 3x that I took with AD&D: Core Rules only (PHB, DMG, MM’s/FF, Legends & Lore, setting books) Plus whatever the DM wants to add. I take stuff from AD&D, 5e, Harn, PF1, all over. Plus whatever a player wants to add that’s requested and approved. Whether that’s from an official splatbook or 3PP or homebrew, it’s all OK if it’s good. And the word-for-word details need to be typed out on the character sheet, with the source cited, so it can be verified and used in game. Usually this has been feats, but also a custom class. In debating if something is “good”, it’s less the rule of cool than “does it make sense”. The player who wanted hoplite feats called “Shield and Spear” to use a longspear and a shield and “Near and Far” to use a longspear from the second rank referred me to a history book with illustrations from Greek pottery. His sales pitch was approved! [/QUOTE]
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