Respect to Mr. Gygax and Mr. Arneson

[Particle_Man]

Actually, if we pursue the metaphor, that makes them living titans. Gary, big as a mountain range, holding the sky on his shoulders...that appeals to my sensibilities.

Anyhow, since this is a "Respect to Mr. Gygax and Mr. Arneson" thread, maybe the Gary-bashers can go to some other thread? Or start their own "I refuse to fawn" thread? I mean, its getting worse than Diaglo's third edition bashing, for Pete's sake.

Anyhow, I BOW TO GARY!!!!!!!

 

[Pielorinho]

Perhaps Hypersmurf was not clear enough. There is to be no insulting of other posters or other people in this thread or anywhere else on this forum. One more in this thread, and it gets locked. Plus, I'll curse whoever makes the insult, and your ice cream will never stay on the cone again.

Daniel

 

[trollwad]

Perhaps Hypersmurf was not clear enough. There is to be no insulting of other posters or other people in this thread or anywhere else on this forum. One more in this thread, and it gets locked. Plus, I'll curse whoever makes the insult, and your ice cream will never stay on the cone again. Daniel

What did particle man say that was an "insult"? I suspect that diaglo would cheerfully admit to being a "3.5 basher" wearing it as a badge of his convictions. Did I miss something?

 

[Frost]

Jeez oh Pete you guys this started out as a new poster trying to say "hey I appreciate that you pioneered a great hobby, that I personally enjoy", you don't like that tuff!

Now it has turned into quoting, sarcastic smilies, and just altogether bad form. What a great community you make this look like. I told you this would get ugly.

My thoughts exactly. Has the original poster even posted here again? Probably not, and who could blame him. Not only did people jump all over his simple comment, one guy corrected his grammar. What a great way to welcome him to the boards.

And people wonder why the messageboards here get a bad reputation...
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[JPL]

By it's own definition, you can't post slander.
But I am not here to educate you.

When used as a possessive, "its" doesn't have an apostrophe.

Although "slander" is generally defined as spoken defamation and "libel" as published defamation, the word "slander" is also applied to malicious falsehoods in general, regardless of the method of transmission. See http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/slander for an example.

As I understand it, in many jurisdictions the question of whether a message board posting is "libel" or "slander" is undecided. Libel is often considered a more serious crime, as it requires more premeditation that spoken defamation [which may be uttered in the heat of the moment].

It is arguable that a message board posting is similar in its spontaniety to other non-published communication and should therefore be analyzed as slander rather than libel.

I am here to educate you.

jpl

Attorney and former English teacher

 

[trollwad]

When used as a possessive, "its" doesn't have an apostrophe.

Although "slander" is generally defined as spoken defamation and "libel" as published defamation, the word "slander" is also applied to malicious falsehoods in general, regardless of the method of transmission. See http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/slander for an example.

As I understand it, in many jurisdictions the question of whether a message board posting is "libel" or "slander" is undecided. Libel is often considered a more serious crime, as it requires more premeditation that spoken defamation [which may be uttered in the heat of the moment].

It is arguable that a message board posting is similar in its spontaniety to other non-published communication and should therefore be analyzed as slander rather than libel.

The first part about its is definately true. Im NOT a lawyer but I thought (and the US is the only thing I care about, I know that the Uk has slightly different laws regarding freedom of speech) that slander simply applied to the spoken word and libel to the written word. Strictly from a US perspective, are you sure that is really legally "undecided"?

 

[photonenlaerm]

All of us who enjoy this hobby owe them a debt of gratitude [...] THEY DID IT.

Because of the creation and the success of D&D (bless my Three Little Books!), we now have rpgs in general. [...] What has happened to the industry since is also beyond the scope of this thread.

Because they created D&D, we have rpgs.

Simple as that.

For that, we owe them our collective thanks.

You (and some other posters on this board) understood, what I was trying to say. It's a shame that so many others didn't.

Cheers

 

[JPL]

The first part about its is definately true. Im NOT a lawyer but I thought (and the US is the only thing I care about, I know that the Uk has slightly different laws regarding freedom of speech) that slander simply applied to the spoken word and libel to the written word. Strictly from a US perspective, are you sure that is really legally "undecided"?

I'm sure that many jurisdictions within the U.S. have decided the issue, and I think most courts have interpreted Internet defamation as libel.

But nothing like the Internet existed when the libel/slander distinction arose, so there's still some question from a scholarly standpoint as to which law is more applicable.

If you feel like some fairly heavy reading on the subject:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~cyberlaw/cls99/sempaper/zelote416.html

 

[Pielorinho]

What did particle man say that was an "insult"? I suspect that diaglo would cheerfully admit to being a "3.5 basher" wearing it as a badge of his convictions. Did I miss something?

My apologies if I looked like I was addressing particle man specifically; I wasn't, though my post appeared directly after his.

Daniel

 

[WizarDru]

Once upon a time, there was a box. It was Red, and I loved it. It was edited, and in no small part written, by Tom Moldvay. Tom taught me D&D.

Some short time later, I realized that there was an 'advanced' version of the game. It was much bigger, much more complex and seemed more 'adult'. I was intrigued. I would learn that this author was Gary Gygax, and Moldvay had gotten his material from work that Gygax and this other fellow Arneson had done. (at the time, and even today, I wish that Moldvay had gotten his editing talents around those books, but that's neither here nor there).

Gygax had written many modules, and often had things to say in that magazine for the game. I didn't always agree with him, and as I grew older, I started to profess a dislike for him. But I never stopped respecting the game he'd provided me with, even if we played it differently.

As time has passed, I moved on to other games. Eventually, professional designers would return me to the game of my youth from other games, and it would be good. Gygax had created other games, and they were not bad, but they were not what I wanted. Again, we disagreed.

I respect the men and their achievements. I respect that we can have differences of opinion, but that at our roots, we still enjoy the hobby they helped create and appreciate their hand in my entertainment over the last 25 years.

Thanks, Gary and Dave.

Thanks.