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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 5820200" data-attributes="member: 1465">The hobby is dying because people are not having fun because they are stuck with bad choices? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I am not so sure the hobby is dying at all, but have you at least noticed that the edition which is having problems does in fact have retraining rules? At the same time, the main competitor also have retraiing rules, so this cannot be the reason. Have you noticed that the edition which they are now exiting much sooner than expected is the one which focused all the design effort on a certain type of fun? Have you noticed how many people write every day threads about wanting to go back to OD&D and AD&D or at least bringing back some of their gaming element, and the most suggested elements are exactly those who give the characters and the players a harder time? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I think you can see what the "split" in the gamers base really is all about. Two wildly different concepts of fun: one based on having an easy time, the other based on having a hard time. A monument should be erected to the 5e designers if they really manage to cater both.</blockquote>

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