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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8809554" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I think this is a bad idea. That is a lot of your cantrips you are investing in and save cantrips do not land as well as attack cantrips generally. Add to that the intelligence-based cantrips are pretty weak overall in terms of damage.</p><p></p><p>If you do this you need to "fish" for the low save and that is not easy when you take the dice into play. You throw down Toll the Dead and he rolls a 3 .... well does he have a bad wisdom or was that just a really low roll?</p><p></p><p>I also don't think all classes even have cantrips with 3 different saves. Druids for example only have constitution and dexterity options I think.</p><p></p><p>This is before you consider uses. Clerics for example can get Wisdom, Constitution and Dex saves but the con save cantrip (word of radience) requires you to get within 5 feet of the enemy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No because the target number for a hit is usually lower than the target for a cantrip. For example at 1st level average AC for foes you are facing should be 13, which means you need an 8 to hit (assuming 16 in prome stat) which means you hit 65% of the time. Your spell DC is 13 whick means your save cantrips only hit 60% if your enemy has a 0 on the save and chances are good they have higher than 0.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8809554, member: 7030563"] I think this is a bad idea. That is a lot of your cantrips you are investing in and save cantrips do not land as well as attack cantrips generally. Add to that the intelligence-based cantrips are pretty weak overall in terms of damage. If you do this you need to "fish" for the low save and that is not easy when you take the dice into play. You throw down Toll the Dead and he rolls a 3 .... well does he have a bad wisdom or was that just a really low roll? I also don't think all classes even have cantrips with 3 different saves. Druids for example only have constitution and dexterity options I think. This is before you consider uses. Clerics for example can get Wisdom, Constitution and Dex saves but the con save cantrip (word of radience) requires you to get within 5 feet of the enemy. No because the target number for a hit is usually lower than the target for a cantrip. For example at 1st level average AC for foes you are facing should be 13, which means you need an 8 to hit (assuming 16 in prome stat) which means you hit 65% of the time. Your spell DC is 13 whick means your save cantrips only hit 60% if your enemy has a 0 on the save and chances are good they have higher than 0. [/QUOTE]
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