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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8810257" data-attributes="member: 67338">lets do some math...lets take the basic array 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8you get +2 to 1 and +1 to another... I will end up with 16 15 14 12 10 8 (not bad I can totally make a character out of that)we will give the 2 prof saves to the 12 and the 1616 (+5) 15 (+2) 14 (+2) 12 (+3) and 8 (-1)DMGhere is a redit post with a break down of monsters  [MEDIA=reddit]dndnext/comments/2nn6ld[/MEDIA]Okay so at CR 1/4-4 (what I would expect to come across most often in the +2 prof days) you have 13 DCsAt CR 16-21 (what I expect most 13-17th level characters with a +5 prof to see) you have a 18-21 DC range...so at the start you make your best save in an 8 your worst on a 14level ups are hard to calculate... do you up stats or take feats (or multi class like I do alot to keep spellcasting from getting out of hand) but the prof is for sure... I think assumeing a +1 magic is not too far out there...no stat increase 16 (+9) 15 (+3) 14 (+3) 12 (+7) and 8 (-)up your prime stat to 20, and secondary to 1820 (+11) 18 (+5) 14 (+3) 12 (+7) and 8 (-)up prime to 18 and secondary to 16 and the 8 to a 1018 (+10) 16 (+4) 14 (+3) 12 (+7) and 10 (+1)3 arrays and we can do out what you need to make best and worst... so DC 18 if no stat boost you need a 9 if some but not max you need an 8 and if you max it you need a 7.Your best save on the low end of the spectrum is running on a treadmillDC 21  if no stat boost you need a 12 if some but not max you need an 11 and if you max it you need a 10.Your best save on the high end is WORSE for you then you started.Worst save is either a straight roll or +1 DC 18 if no stat boost you need a 17 if some but not max you need an 16 Your save save is so bad you might as well not try... it WISHES it was ONLY on a treadmillDC 21  if no stat boost you need a - opps nat 20 doesn't auto pass in 5e no save for you... if some but not max you need a nat 20Your worse save might just be an auto fail, but if it's not it might as well be...you go from (best save in an 8 your worst on a 14)  35%- 60%  to (best needing 7-9 and worse 20) 60%-5% you don't get better at avoiding threats that are level appropriate you get WORSE></blockquote>

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