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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8810630" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>IME very few groups play with flanking ..... because like you said it is terrible.</p><p></p><p>There are several groups I played with that started out using it and the DM canned it after a few levels. I've only had one campaign in the last several years where the DM stuck with flanking for more than a few sessions, and that is not a combat-centric campaign. We have like 1 combat every 3 days or so.</p><p></p><p>Also I find proned causes disadvantage more than it causes advantage because there are more people making ranged attacks typically than there are making melee attacks. Proned is actually one of the few times my casters will go to a ranged save cantrip.</p><p></p><p>I do agree with your overall point though and those "high" ACs are going to be hit by attacks a lot at appropriate levels .... a lot more than saves will land.</p><p></p><p>Even without considering this though, it hardly puts the wizard ahead. Lighting Lure is doing 19 damage, mind sliver is doing 14 damage and toll the dead is doing 26 if the enemy is already damaged or 18 if he is not. A fighter is doing about 40 on an attack routine before you consider fighting style, subclass damage, magic weapons bonuses, feats etc.</p><p></p><p>70% of 40 damage (28) is WAY more than 90% of 19 (17).</p><p>65% of 40 (26) is WAY more than 85% of 14 (12)</p><p>65% of 40 (26) is still WAY more than 100% of 14 (14)</p><p>60% of 40 (24) is more than 81% of 26 (21) even if he was already damaged and was not immune.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8810630, member: 7030563"] IME very few groups play with flanking ..... because like you said it is terrible. There are several groups I played with that started out using it and the DM canned it after a few levels. I've only had one campaign in the last several years where the DM stuck with flanking for more than a few sessions, and that is not a combat-centric campaign. We have like 1 combat every 3 days or so. Also I find proned causes disadvantage more than it causes advantage because there are more people making ranged attacks typically than there are making melee attacks. Proned is actually one of the few times my casters will go to a ranged save cantrip. I do agree with your overall point though and those "high" ACs are going to be hit by attacks a lot at appropriate levels .... a lot more than saves will land. Even without considering this though, it hardly puts the wizard ahead. Lighting Lure is doing 19 damage, mind sliver is doing 14 damage and toll the dead is doing 26 if the enemy is already damaged or 18 if he is not. A fighter is doing about 40 on an attack routine before you consider fighting style, subclass damage, magic weapons bonuses, feats etc. 70% of 40 damage (28) is WAY more than 90% of 19 (17). 65% of 40 (26) is WAY more than 85% of 14 (12) 65% of 40 (26) is still WAY more than 100% of 14 (14) 60% of 40 (24) is more than 81% of 26 (21) even if he was already damaged and was not immune. [/QUOTE]
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