Returned Abeir "Continent"

[Klaus]

Y'know, I have to say I like Returned Abeir more than Faerun...

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

Yeah, I don't think there ever really was anything in any of the FR products, other than an occasional mention of the worlds full official name as Abeir-Toril. I think the Abeir part comes from Ed Greenwood's original notes. It might be in a book somewhere and I've just never seen it though. Maybe a resident FR expert here on the boards might know better. I think it's kind of like the concept that Abeir-Toril was once linked with our world but has since drifted away, thus the "Forgotten" Realms. I'm not sure if that was really in any products either, but ir was definitely part of Ed's original gameworld. I just don't remember where I read it...

Puts on Realms lore hat

Well ya see Ed never named the world at all. He called it Faerûn but had not named the world. So they adopted the name of Jeff grubs world of Toril for the Greybox, not was Troil was in the T's in the encyclopedia and they wanted the world to be liststed first they changed the name to Abeir-Troil so it would be first

So it is just the planets name, not and never has been two worlds. The 4e Design team stated in a pod cast they didn't know why the place was called forgotten realms so made up the two worlds to explain it

When as you said any body who looks at the realms and knows any realms lore will tell ya it's because of earth, all the false earth cultures was not lazy nor was it a mistake, it was by design.

Realms lore hat off

 

[jonesy]

Well ya see Ed never named the world at all. He called it Faerûn but had not named the world. So they adopted the name of Jeff grubs world of Toril for the Greybox, not was Troil was in the T's in the encyclopedia and they wanted the world to be liststed first they changed the name to Abeir-Troil so it would be first.

Yowza! I never ever knew that. The Realms weren't my setting, I didn't spend a whole lot of time there. But holy Canadian bacon, 19 years of D&D and I never knew that.

 

[Alzrius]

The 4e Design team stated in a pod cast they didn't know why the place was called forgotten realms so made up the two worlds to explain it

That's the only part of the story that I didn't know, though it certainly doesn't surprise me at all. It's what you come to expect when the guys in charge don't bother to examine the history of the setting they're tinkering with.

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

That's the only part of the story that I didn't know, though it certainly doesn't surprise me at all. It's what you come to expect when the guys in charge don't bother to examine the history of the setting they're tinkering with.

Yeah I stopped paying any mind to it after like the 3rd or so podcast when it was clear they had no respect or understanding of the setting at all. Heck they didn't even know stuff that was in the 3.0 FRCS and was easy to learn.

If you will not ask the creator{whose number you have} and can not take the time to at lest read a setting book your company put out, the you have no interest in respecting any of the setting or those that play that setting . And to be blunt it showed.

 

[Atlatl Jones]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the 4E FR campaign book said that returned Abeir replaced Maztica and it's environs (Including Anchorome and the southern continent too, I think???)

Until I saw this map, I didn't realize that Abeir and Maztica are basically the same landmass!

Look at them. They're exactly the same size, and the same shape (aside from some details). You could easily superimpose one over the other. The main difference is that Maztica is connected to other land at the north and south, while Abeir sits on its own.

 

[Dragonhelm]

I think Returned Abeir should kill Maztica and take its stuff. I won't be happy until we have dragonborn eagle knights and tiefling jaguar knights.

 

[Lord_Blacksteel]

"Dragonborn Eagle Knights" - now you're trying to get your Warhammer in my D&D!

 

[El Mahdi]

I think Returned Abeir should kill Maztica and take its stuff. I won't be happy until we have dragonborn eagle knights and tiefling jaguar knights.

And Amnian and Lantanese invaders explorers with "Thunder Sticks" to hunt them down!

 

[Nahat Anoj]

I like Returned Abeir and think it's a neat place, but recently I've been thinking that doesn't add anything to FR and it shouldn't have been included in the 4e FR book (as an aside, I don't think Maztica should have been included either). This would have allowed them to devote some more pages to the more essential aspects of the Realms.