Review inflation on ENworld

There is no "code" for reviews to my knowledge. And I looked for one to start writing a review myself. You want to propose one, Crothian?

I don't know if dropping the 1-5 rating system is really a great idea. Sure, it's hardly precise, but people aren't looking for precision from such a thing. They want a quick guideline.
 

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Umbran said:
There is no "code" for reviews to my knowledge. And I looked for one to start writing a review myself. You want to propose one, Crothian?

I don't know if dropping the 1-5 rating system is really a great idea. Sure, it's hardly precise, but people aren't looking for precision from such a thing. They want a quick guideline.

If a code was instituted it would be up to the 3 staff reviewers to set. I'm not going to step on their toes as they have a much better understanding for the review process then little old me. However, if they wanted suggestions I'm sure I could come uyp with a few. ;)

And the rating system isn't going anywhere. It's coded into the program and I don't think anyone wants to try to alter or try to remove it. I'm not sure they can.

Edit: the closest we have to a code is the review FAQ. Please read it before posting as it has information you do need to know.
 
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For me, there are some things I try to keep in mind.

1. Does it do what it sets out to?

2. How's the layout & art?

3. How's the editing?

4. How's the text to page ratio? I despise companies that put one page for table of contents, another page for credits, another two pages for OGL. One page for toc and credits, another page for OGL. That' it!

5. If the product doesn't suit my taste, will it others?

6. How expensive is the product?

7. Are there other products in the same field?

I don't think I've had a 1 product yet and some products, maybe should've been higher. Wrath & Rage for DMs is a 4 but players, a 2.

I also don't love the 1-5 system, but I'm stuck with it here and on Gaming Frontiers. I think 1-10 would probably be better.
 

Purely for statistical freaks out there...

Psion: 139 reviews, avg: 3.69
Simon: 167 reviws, avg: 3.50
Joe: 30 reviews, avg: 3.63

but as lots of people have been saying there are many reasons why this could be (like prefering to review products you've bought and liked...)
 

Blacksway said:
Purely for statistical freaks out there...
Hmm... As you said, these reviews don't differentiate between "bought and liked" and "got sent a copy to review." Is it possible - from the database - to discern which are which? Otherwise, these statistics don't help much...
(Not that I think that this entire topic is necessary at all, but since you guys are discussing it...)
 

I just want to reiterate that I think the reviewers are doing a fine job for ENworld, but there is nothing wrong with trying to improve the system.

To infinity and beyond
 

tleilaxu said:
I just want to reiterate that I think the reviewers are doing a fine job for ENworld, but there is nothing wrong with trying to improve the system.

To infinity and beyond
Absolutely.
For example, I'd prefer a 1-10 scale to the current 1-5 one.
 

tleilaxu said:
Here is a suggestion that I just thought of that I think could make the ratings more accurate.

Ooh, my buttons are getting pushed :)

A thing like this does not increase accuracy. It increases precision. There's a difference.

Accuracy talks about how correct the number is, how well it reflects reality. Precision, in essence, talks about how many decimal places the measurement can realistically include.

A laser range finder can take measurements very precisely. It can always give you a number out to many decimal places. Your measurement may still be inaccurate if you use this very precise tool incorrectly (by saying you measured the width of a field when you actually measured it's length, for example).

There is no point to taking a measurement precisely if you aren't going to be very accurate anyway. That's the situation we have here. The rating system is subjective (since it's rating an opinion, and opinions are subjective). There's no "code" for how you give a rating. Unless everyones giving ratings in exactly the same way, for the same reasons, you're not getting a very accurate measurement. There's little point in going for high precision on it.

In other words, the ratings system is by it's nature very vague. Giving more info on the ratings is then not terribly useful. It actually then makes sense to keep the ratings vague, rather than giving percentile scores, or going to a 1 to 10 system. You actually have a greater chance of getting consistent accurate measurements if you give people less freedom of "false precision".

Also, how many ratings do most products get? Percentile scores are not particularly good if the number of scores is less than (you guessed it) 100 or so. If only 5 people rate a product, a percentile score is pretty meaningless. If there are many such products, and you weight for how many people actually rated the product, you now reduce many of the rating to statistical irrelevance. If you're throwing many of them away, what's the point of doing a percentile score in the first place?

In the end, it comes down to this - what do users want to get out of reviews? They want to know how good the product is. Percentile socres don't actually tell you that. They are a bit of statistical minutae that only tells you something about the products if their quality actually follows a normal distribution.

(edit: My typing and grammar are often rather inaccurate :))
 
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Umbran said:

There's no "code" for how you give a rating. Unless everyones giving ratings in exactly the same way, for the same reasons, you're not getting a very accurate measurement. There's little point in going for high precision on it.

When I say code, I'm talking more about some minimium requirements for the review. Sort of like a word length of a couple hundred words. There are many reviews of about 4 lines or so, and I haven't read any of that length that get the job done.
 

Reviewers don't review "everything" -- they get to pick and choose what they review. Maybe they stay away from the stinkers, whether consciously not. I certainly would rather spend my time getting to know a good or average product than a bad one.

When I look through the product lists, I find that not only do I avoid products with low scores -- I also avoid products that have been out for a while and have not garnered even one review. To me that says a) people aren't buying it or b) people didn't care for it.
 

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