Review of extended scenes in Two Towers (spoilers)

[Wraith Form]

First post: What did you guys think?

Last post: Yes, noble rangers. Barliman Butterbur was out-and-out wrong on his characterization of the rangers.

Jesus, why'd you even bother to ask what we think when you've already made up your mind? Everyone who's disagreed with your (obviously correct) view on this film has been argued with by you. (I'm waiting for you to argue with me on this, too.)

Feh. [/rant]

 

[Piratecat]

Take it easy, gang. Sheesh, I never expected arguments about this.

And yup, Denethor knew about the ring of power because of his palantir. That's pretty straight-forward, I think.

 

[Endur]

The Wraiths mentioned the ring to Dain and the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain. They even offered several of the dwarf rings in exchange for it or knowledge of where to find Baggins and the Shire.

I agree that Faramir's characterization still doesn't sit right with me, but its better than the regular movie characterization.

Overall, I liked the extra content. Good stuff about Theodred and the Ents and the pipeweed cache. Even the piece about Aragorn having the horse freed that later wakes him up.

When I first saw The Two Towers, I didn't understand why we were looking at elves at Helm's Deep.

The elves should have been fighting in Lolthlorien or Mirkwood against Orcs from the Misty Mountains and Dol Gulder. Now, I've come to the realization that Peter Jackson didn't want to talk about Mirkwood and Dol Gulder and the Lonely Mountain. He wants to avoid lots of geography and focus on just a few spots. So, in that case, I understand wanting to focus just on Helm's Deep.

 

[jdavis]

Denethor knew about the ring, who cares how, he knew because that made the scene work, in the end it doesn't matter or effect the story. Everybody roughs up gollum, he actually tells them to stop, that's good enough for me. I didn't like Faramir in the theatrical release but the extended release fixed that.

As far as all the changes to Faramir, well there is a whole documentary on why they had to change things in Two Towers (they go in depth into the need to change Faramir in the movie and why, among other things). It is very informative on the choices they had to make as told by the people who made the changes. You really got to see this documetary if you have questions about why they changed things.

My feelings on the extended version, well I didn't like the theatric version, I don't own it, and I won't watch it again, the extended version fixed almost all my problems (and the biography on the script helped a lot too). I am thrilled to death with it. My biggest problem with two towers was I didn't care for all the jumping around and quick edits (It gave me a horrible headache the first time) the extended scenes and the added scenes makes it flow so much better. And thank goodness Fangorn got to move and kill orcs.

You got to see the documentary on disk 3 (From Book to Script: Finding the Story), I'm so glad they took the time to explain why they had to change things and the process they took.

 

[Farland]

Everyone who's disagreed with your (obviously correct) view on this film has been argued with by you

No, disagreed with. It is a discussion. You try to convince me off your points or teach me something new, and I try to convince or teach you. I thought that was what message boards were for.

 

[drnuncheon]

No, disagreed with.

Speaking as an outside observer, your 'disagreements' come off as very argumentative. Saying things with a tone like "No, Frank, you're missing the point." and "*Sigh* Seriously?" does indeed make it seem like a) your mind is made up and b) you're utterly dismissing the idea that the other guy might have a point - which does not make for a good discussion. You might want to phrase things a little bit differently.

J

 

[Piratecat]

I'm such a weenie. Our copy will probably get to us today or tomorrow, but we went out to rent it last night! We didn't want to wait. Mmmm, ent-draughty goodness.

 

[Numion]

*Sigh* Seriously?

And what is so bad about "roughing up" Gollum? Don't you see that makes Faramir as bad as the enemy?

Lastly, do you really think that Gandalf would have bragged it around that the Ring of Power was found? In Gondor, knowing full well that they would want it, and that the spies of Sauron would hear of it if word got out in Gondor? The palantir would also not be able to see the ring of power. At least it didn't help in the book, but who knows with a Peter Jackson palantir?

In the books even Gandalf admitted to hurting Gollum when he questioned it, so it isn't a big deal.

Faramirs troops were in a hostile zone, killing many enemies. Why shouldn't they rough up an ugly-ass orc-looking gollum? He's clearly evil and up to no good. So roughing him up was good. If he'd taken it a bit further, he could've prevented his betrayal.

Well, Palantir couldn't see the ring, of course, but it sure as hell could see all the ruckus with ringwraiths and etc. Denethor isn't stupid, you know.

 

[Null Boundry]

Take it easy, gang. Sheesh, I never expected arguments about this.

You never expected bickering when the works of Tolkien are mentioned?

I'm sorry but I don't believe someone can be that naive.

 

[thalmin]

I'm such a weenie. Our copy will probably get to us today or tomorrow, but we went out to rent it last night! We didn't want to wait. Mmmm, ent-draughty goodness.

I went and ordered the Gollum (not Smeagle) statue that is a companion piece to the one in the deluxe set.