Reviews, Opinions, & Politeness

The D20 community most certainly doesn't have the money to pay a reveiwer a full time salery to reveiws d20 products.Roger Ebert reveiws movies which is a multi-billion dollar industry our little community does not have that to give but that doesn't make Psion any less professional about it.So just exactly how much does a guy have to be paid to be consider prosessiona;?
 

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Main Entry: 1pro·fes·sion·al
Pronunciation: pr&-'fesh-n&l, -'fe-sh&-n&l
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1748
1 a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b : engaged in one of the learned professions c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2 a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>
3 : following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot>
- pro·fes·sion·al·ly adverb

Seems to me that Psion and other reviewers like him fall very much under the 1st definition and are thus professionals.

You'll note that the 2nd definition mentions paid compensation in exchange for work.

I'd wager that 30 years ago, the 1st and 2nd would be swapped but today professional is a far more inclusive term than it used to be.

Just my thought.
 

This argument crops up just about every time there's a negative review of something.

I've heard that:
1) Reviewers have no right to review anything unless they actually have written their own games. Presumably, reviewers who are also in the industry are more competent reviewers as a result.
2) Reviewers have no right to review anything unless they're paid for it . Implying that there's a screen that weeds out the crappy reviewers because they get paid.

And yet, it's become abundantly clear publishers have no such screens. They publish games without having published anything else previously. They publish games and make no money on it. There's no standards for publishing...and yet we want standards for reviewing?

Standards of reviewing beyond the most minimal basic guidelines result in biases. And of course, reviews are biased by their very nature. That's the point.

No really. That's it. The problem is when reviewers gain credibility. It's a threat to the publisher.

I've got work out for review (and more coming) at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=097080945X/michaeltrescaA/ It's been slammed on here. Ouch. However, I have a bunch of other reviews that say it's not a bad product, including some folks I highly respect. I've also had my module listed on the top ten worst D20 adventures out there -- listed by an anonymous poster in a forum: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2647&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

This is pretty much par for the course. No, it's not pleasant. But it's certainly necessary.

The Internet is not like a newspaper. Internet reviewers are not Ebert writing a review. In that newspaper, it's just Ebert -- maybe one a handful of other people.

On the Internet, it can be hundreds of reviewers. The "burden of competence" is not shared -- there's no screening process or career path to ensure that reviewers know what they're doing. On the Internet, the measure instead is the number, not the content, of the reviews.

The more good or bad reviews there are, the more likely it is that the review is accurate. This is obviously not the case with newspapers or magazines, wherein one review is all you get.

And who says those reviewers are more competent anyway? There are some reviewers at Entertainment Weekly with whom I vehemently disagree. Why? Because when a review is ultimately an opinion, no single person can possibly represent every person who reads the review.

That's important. I don't want to read a review by some idiot who's never read Lord of the Rings, who talks about how the ending "was obviously set up for a sequel." I want to read a review by a gaming geek who knows the same fantasy staples I know. In other words, I want someone with similar tastes to review movies. This is why Cinescape holds much more credibility with me than Entertainment Weekly.

This knowledge focus makes a pretty strong argument against professional reviewers. They are ultimately going to be biased by who they are -- if you're not like them, chances are you'll agree with their reviews less. Certainly, a reviewer who reviews a wide swath of genres isn't always going to be the best informed about every one of them.

Which really makes Internet reviewing quite a bit more appealing. The masses, presumably the masses who have a genuine interest in the product, spout off. Hopefully, as more and more spout off, they "truth" comes out -- as close to objectivity as you can get anyway. It's inspired by the Scientific Method -- no one person can determine the truth, but hopefully through examination and rexamination by multiple groups, a general feeling of how good a product is or isn't will emerge.

Conversely, if I am to respect those masses, I need to be able to identify them. Random, nameless "Bob"s who start slamming my work are less significant than Alan and Simon reviewing my work. Anonymity is great for battling authority, it's not so great when I want an opinion I can respect. For more on why, see: http://read.at/tmb/thesis.htm

This thread has three words in the title, but the word "polite" showed up exactly once in the long list of responses. To me, a professional review can be very effective if the reviewer is courteous -- if the Internet sorely lacks something, something a lot of printed reviews still have over Internet scathing reviews, it's basic courtesy.

I think that's what people are really upset about.

Mike "Talien" Tresca
http://www.retromud.org
 

talien said:

This thread has three words in the title, but the word "polite" showed up exactly once in the long list of responses. To me, a professional review can be very effective if the reviewer is courteous -- if the Internet sorely lacks something, something a lot of printed reviews still have over Internet scathing reviews, it's basic courtesy.

I think that's what people are really upset about.

Bravo!

I fully support everyone's right to an opinion. Conversely, my tolerance for rudeness is about zero. As for those who believe the two words are synonymous - their opinions, in my view, are irrelevant.

I get sick and tired of hearing people defend their rudeness with cries of "censorship!", "freedom of speech!", "it's my opinion!", and, of course the best of all "you just don't want to hear the truth - I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is trying to bury the true facts!"

What can I say? Opinion and manners are two entirely different words. They each have their own definitions and entries in the dictionary. One can easily state a strong or controversial opinion without being rude. Those who rely on the "rudeness/opinion defence", as I like to put it, have no credibility whatsoever in my eyes.

So, to the point - I can't speak for internet reviews other than those on this website. But as soon as the new review page coding is completed and the moderators are assigned, the rules of this messageboard will very strictly apply to the reviews page. Rude reviews will be deleted with no warning, as will brief or uninformative reviews. Quality is the key here, not quantity.
 
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I have to apologize here...

It seems that just by referencing the other thread, I made a faux paus... that was not my intention to 'stire the kettle' any further, in any way shape or form... so my apologies for doing that. :(

My intention with stating what my opinions on what a 'Professional reviewer' vs. a 'Professional ACTING reviewer' was to generate conversation/dabte/input about what EVERYONE thinks makes a good review... i.e what they like to read in a review, what they think should be avoided, etc...

It was NOT to slam anyone, for any reason at all... And it was MOST definately not to raise havoc over the topic...

Apparantly my choice in topic thread/timing of it, was poor, and again I apologise for that completely.

I still stand behind my request to have a dialog about what people would like to see in a review, how they would like it presented, etc...

And the reference to polite was a simple, 'to have a polite discussion' about it... not about people in general being polite/civil...

And I agree with Morrus here, Polite/Manners do not ncessarily go toegether... but it would be nice...

I have zero tolerance for rudeness as well. I generally respond civilly to rudeness, once, maybe twice, then afterwards, tend to ignore it... so I guess I have some patience...

but a debate/conversation can be done without rudeness, people can express their opinions in a civil manner... and that's all I am asking for...

Again, sorry if this thread tweaked anyone, as has been noted many places, text does not convey intentions/attitudes very well sometimes.

Should this thread be closed? Try again with a different name? Perhaps, 'What do you want in a review?' or something like that?

Morrus?
 

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