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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9045170" data-attributes="member: 7006">From what I remember in Jeremy's video about it I think he said that the templates they gave us scored low.&nbsp; But all of us who saw the playtest could tell right away that they were basic templates and had no real oomph to them, no bells and whistles, nor were they reflective of the stuff that 5E14 wildshape would give us.&nbsp; So I don't think it would have been a surprise to them to see what they gave us as ranked low.&nbsp; Whether the concept of templated wildshape on the whole scored low-- that I don't think we know... only that these specific templates for wildshape did.But if they knew that going in and all they were checking was whether templates as a concept could/would be accepted (even when they showed up in the crappy form they gave us)... then they could evolve the ideas further.&nbsp; As I said when the packets were first released to us... they probably didn't see the point of creating a full-fledged template system that incorporated and balanced two dozen special abilities that came from all the standard animals in the back of the PHB... only to then discover that no one wanted templates regardless.&nbsp; That would have been a massive waste of time and energy.&nbsp; So instead they gave us the basic templates they did and waited to see how people felt and responded to the templates as a concept first... and then they could begin to iterate on them if it seemed like templates were not dismissed out of hand.In truth we really won't know the full results until we get the next UA packet that has the next iteration of druids in them.&nbsp; At that point we'll discover whether templates as a concept were completely thrown out and we are indeed going back to using 5E14 animal statblocks... or if they just iterate on the template concept to make them more acceptable to more people.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9045170, member: 7006"] From what I remember in Jeremy's video about it I think he said that the templates they gave us scored low. But all of us who saw the playtest could tell right away that they were basic templates and had no real oomph to them, no bells and whistles, nor were they reflective of the stuff that 5E14 wildshape would give us. So I don't think it would have been a surprise to them to see what they gave us as ranked low. Whether the concept of templated wildshape on the whole scored low-- that I don't think we know... only that these [I]specific[/I] templates for wildshape did. But if they knew that going in and all they were checking was whether templates as a concept could/would be accepted (even when they showed up in the crappy form they gave us)... then they could evolve the ideas further. As I said when the packets were first released to us... they probably didn't see the point of creating a full-fledged template system that incorporated and balanced two dozen special abilities that came from all the standard animals in the back of the PHB... only to then discover that no one wanted templates [I]regardless[/I]. That would have been a massive waste of time and energy. So instead they gave us the basic templates they did and waited to see how people felt and responded to the templates [I]as a concept[/I] first... and then they could begin to iterate on them if it seemed like templates were not dismissed out of hand. In truth we really won't know the full results until we get the next UA packet that has the next iteration of druids in them. At that point we'll discover whether templates as a concept were completely thrown out and we are indeed going back to using 5E14 animal statblocks... or if they just iterate on the template concept to make them more acceptable to more people. [/QUOTE]

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