D&D 5E Revisiting RAW Darkness Spell

[Hriston]

Anyone arguing that darkvision is a disadvantage to see through magical darkness and it's easier to see through magical darkness if you don't have darkvision, is either arguing in bad faith or so deep in the forest that that don't even realize those are trees around them.

Seriously, I think the #1 hint as to how this works is the name of the spell.

Is anyone arguing that?

 

[Mistwell]

Is anyone arguing that?

sure looks like it to me. if they're not arguing that, they're doing a horrible job communicating?

 

[Seramus]

Is anyone arguing that?

Seems like it to me.

 

[FrogReaver]

Anyone arguing that darkvision is a disadvantage to see through magical darkness and it's easier to see through magical darkness if you don't have darkvision, is either arguing in bad faith or so deep in the forest that that don't even realize those are trees around them.

Seriously, I think the #1 hint as to how this works is the name of the spell.

Congrats on defeating a position no one is taking.

 

[Mistwell]

Congrats on defeating a position no one is taking

'can't see through this darkness' only applies to characters with darkvision in the actual spell text.

 

[Hriston]

In game design, you are taught that players will always find loopholes and interpret things in ways you didn't imagine. So you focus on correcting the big stuff, and just accept that little stuff will fall through the cracks. Perfection is the enemy of good enough, and all that.

Okay, so what was the "big stuff" corrected by changing a sentence that said a creature in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition to a sentence that says a creature trying to see something in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition?

 

[prabe]

Also of note is that RAW never specifies that one cannot see out of this darkness.

 

[Seramus]

Okay, so what was the "big stuff" corrected by changing a sentence that said a creature in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition to a sentence that says a creature trying to see something in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition?

That would be "little stuff" that slips through the cracks. Not "big stuff" in my book.

 

[FrogReaver]

@Mistwell
Isn’t that what the spell says?

 

[Hriston]

Mechanically?

Because in the first instance, the GM is ruling you autosucceed at the check (or that seeing the stars in the sky doesn't require a check); in the second instance the GM believes a check is required, which you autofail.

It is worth remembering that mechanically, darkness is the same as thick fog. Heavily obscured is heavily obscured.

And this entire benighted thread started with a misinterpretation of the darkness spell which seemed to be consistent with being able to see from inside it to outside of it.

This thread isn't talking about checks. It's talking about what you can see. If you have the blinded condition, you can't see.