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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7917924" data-attributes="member: 996">It makes the 'greater' magic users seem like they're missing something.&nbsp; It might well be that there are spells only attractive to 'lesser,' say beause they leverage martial weapon use (all those ranger archer spells), that the greater caster can technically cast, but never bothers to.Classic Druid fire spells included:&nbsp; Produce Flame, Flameblade, Produce Fire, Protection f/Fire, Heat Metal, Wall of Fire, Fire Seeds, Conjure Fire Elemental, Firestorm and Chariot of Sustarre.Faerie Fire being a light rather than fire spell.Maybe I place more value on theme and tradition, but I'd just summarily give any named spell to the Wizard.Disguise Self to the Wizard (illusionist) and Alter Self to the Druid sounds equitable.The Druid eventually got A Thousand Faces, as really it's only claim to the spell anyway,&nbsp; so you could use that as an ability instead of a spell?&nbsp;Classic 'Reversed' Cure/Remove spell for the old EHP, I'd say Cleric.Yep, Wizard.&nbsp; Continual Light was originally both a Cleric &amp; a Wizard spell, but the Wiz got it a level lower.&nbsp; And, the continual flame version is less divine glory, more magic tricks.It's originally a fey warlock spell, so you could toss it to the Druid on the fey-association theory.Originally Wizard.&nbsp; Not really very druidy in feel, IMHO.&nbsp; A druid would more reasonably conjure an elemental.Now you're getting into support spells where it's hard to say they should be exclusive.&nbsp; There'll be more as we continue.Any divination runs up against the issue that, IRL, all traditions of magic were big on divination.Finding a lost something, though, feels more like a parlor trick than a miracle.&nbsp; Save Find the Path for the Cleric, let the wizard have Locate ____.Another classic wizard spell. Also, 4e &quot;laser clerics&quot; aside, rays should be the wizard's thing - it flirts with sci-fi more than the cleric.IIRC, this was long ago broken out from magic-user the Flame Arrow spell.&nbsp; And it's a ray.There's always Domain spell exceptions.Agreed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7917924, member: 996"] It makes the 'greater' magic users seem like they're missing something. It might well be that there are spells only attractive to 'lesser,' say beause they leverage martial weapon use (all those ranger archer spells), that the greater caster can technically cast, but never bothers to. Classic Druid fire spells included: Produce Flame, Flameblade, Produce Fire, Protection f/Fire, Heat Metal, Wall of Fire, Fire Seeds, Conjure Fire Elemental, Firestorm and Chariot of Sustarre. Faerie Fire being a light rather than fire spell. Maybe I place more value on theme and tradition, but I'd just summarily give any named spell to the Wizard. Disguise Self to the Wizard (illusionist) and Alter Self to the Druid sounds equitable. The Druid eventually got A Thousand Faces, as really it's only claim to the spell anyway, so you could use that as an ability instead of a spell? Classic 'Reversed' Cure/Remove spell for the old EHP, I'd say Cleric. Yep, Wizard. Continual Light was originally both a Cleric & a Wizard spell, but the Wiz got it a level lower. And, the continual flame version is less divine glory, more magic tricks. It's originally a fey warlock spell, so you could toss it to the Druid on the fey-association theory. Originally Wizard. Not really very druidy in feel, IMHO. A druid would more reasonably conjure an elemental. Now you're getting into support spells where it's hard to say they should be exclusive. There'll be more as we continue. Any divination runs up against the issue that, IRL, all traditions of magic were big on divination. Finding a lost something, though, feels more like a parlor trick than a miracle. Save Find the Path for the Cleric, let the wizard have Locate ____. Another classic wizard spell. Also, 4e "laser clerics" aside, rays should be the wizard's thing - it flirts with sci-fi more than the cleric. IIRC, this was long ago broken out from magic-user the Flame Arrow spell. And it's a ray. There's always Domain spell exceptions. Agreed. [/QUOTE]

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