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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3979152" data-attributes="member: 19675">Its not arbitrary of dickish if said races don't fit the campaign setting as PC races.Perhaps not removed, but definitely backshelved.Lets just say that were my current groups intending to update to 4Ed, several players would be sans their main PCs.andBoth of which concern me.  Besides the loss of gnomes & half-orcs, some of the other 4Ed simplifying changes make me think that with the initial release, we're getting Portal instead of M:tG.Re Gnomes marginalized by whom:IMHO, the designers bear the brunt of the blame here: they designed the gnome in the first place, and have consistently failed to draft a decent version of the gnome post 1Ed.Like Whizbang Dustyboots, I'm well aware of some nice legends dealing with gnomes, and bemoan that somehow nobody came up with one of those to capture in the D&D gnome writeup.Given the watered down version we got in 3Ed, its no wonder many (but clearly not all) players didn't want to play them.</blockquote>