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<blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 3997743" data-attributes="member: 29206"><p>The RPGA gamers I know are pretty hardcore, and honestly, a huge segment of early adopters <strong>are</strong> going to be the hardcore gamers. Casual gamers and mostly-nongamers, to the best of my knowledge - the kind who might have heard of D&D once or twice and maybe played Neverwinter Nights or Baldur's Gate - aren't the kind of people who are go and lay down $100 on a preorder of the corebooks sight unseen. Hardcore gamers will, and I know many on these boards <strong>have</strong>.</p><p></p><p>I mean, there are certainly RPGA gamers who play in the RPGA and nothing else, but of the people who are likely to have preordered the books, they're the only ones who WotC can really market to solely through inertia.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are correct for RPGA games. They would have an accurate read on how many people play gnomes in the RPGA, and I would wager that it isn't very many at all proportionally. As long as the new gnomes are close enough to the old ones that I can reasonably wave my hands and say a gnome's a gnome, I won't complain too hard. (See: Any previous change in gnomes. 2e -> 3e Kobolds were pushing things. 3e -> 4e Archons are no.)</p><p></p><p>As far as half-orcs in 2e (and to a lesser extent, why people are complaining so hard about the status of gnomes in 4e) go, when you remove something from the core books, you remove it from being a choice in the minds of a lot of players - I'm not sure a lot of 2e players knew that Half-Orcs were written up in the Complete Book of Humanoids, and I'm not sure a lot of 2e DMs allowed stuff out of that book anyway.</p><p></p><p>Even things intentionally written up as player races outside of the corebook in 3e, like Star Elves or what have you, faced pretty tough opposition getting into a lot of the games that actually got played. A lot of DMs <strong>do</strong> think the response to "I want to play a Gnome!" is "Geez, pick one of the player races like a normal person."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imban, post: 3997743, member: 29206"] The RPGA gamers I know are pretty hardcore, and honestly, a huge segment of early adopters [b]are[/b] going to be the hardcore gamers. Casual gamers and mostly-nongamers, to the best of my knowledge - the kind who might have heard of D&D once or twice and maybe played Neverwinter Nights or Baldur's Gate - aren't the kind of people who are go and lay down $100 on a preorder of the corebooks sight unseen. Hardcore gamers will, and I know many on these boards [b]have[/b]. I mean, there are certainly RPGA gamers who play in the RPGA and nothing else, but of the people who are likely to have preordered the books, they're the only ones who WotC can really market to solely through inertia. You are correct for RPGA games. They would have an accurate read on how many people play gnomes in the RPGA, and I would wager that it isn't very many at all proportionally. As long as the new gnomes are close enough to the old ones that I can reasonably wave my hands and say a gnome's a gnome, I won't complain too hard. (See: Any previous change in gnomes. 2e -> 3e Kobolds were pushing things. 3e -> 4e Archons are no.) As far as half-orcs in 2e (and to a lesser extent, why people are complaining so hard about the status of gnomes in 4e) go, when you remove something from the core books, you remove it from being a choice in the minds of a lot of players - I'm not sure a lot of 2e players knew that Half-Orcs were written up in the Complete Book of Humanoids, and I'm not sure a lot of 2e DMs allowed stuff out of that book anyway. Even things intentionally written up as player races outside of the corebook in 3e, like Star Elves or what have you, faced pretty tough opposition getting into a lot of the games that actually got played. A lot of DMs [b]do[/b] think the response to "I want to play a Gnome!" is "Geez, pick one of the player races like a normal person." [/QUOTE]
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