Righteous Might un-nerf

[Thanee]

Here's a simple idea to un-nerf Righteous Might (see new errata for current version).

I'd just make it exactly like the size change for monsters (+8 Str, -2 Dex, +4 Con, +2 natural armor, -1 to hit/AC) and use the lowered Damage Reduction from the errata (3/6/9 instead of 5/10/15).

What do you think?

Doesn't this sound more like a 5th level spell?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Murazor]

If you go by that line of thought, using the normal size rules, then why still keep Enlarge Person at only +2Str -2Dex? (Easy answer, it's only a 1st level spell).

But honestly, +8Str and a bump in size means either +3att/+4dmg for one-handed and +3att/+6dmg for two-handed weapons that stack with evertything under you could think of. I think that's just a bit too good. I'd much rather have the spell give a +8 (or perhaps even a +10) enhancement bonus, which would still make it very nice, but you can't stack it with quite as much other spells (most notably Divine Power, which grants +6 enhancement)

 

[Justinian]

That's exactly what I did. RM grants a size increase, and you apply the relevant changes. A halfling cleric gets different changes than a human cleric, who gets different changes than a centaur cleric. Each player just determines his size increase and the required changes. Granting a "size" bonus that doesn't map to the creature size advancement rules strikes me as unnecessary churn.

Changed Animal Growth the same way, but left its DR the same, since 10/magic is fairly low anyway.

I think Enlarge Person is okay, not because it's a 1st-level spell, but because it only works on humanoids and takes a full round to cast.

 

[Thanee]

Yeah, for different sizes apply the monster size changes as appropriate, that's also what I meant.

@Murazor: Divine Power and Righteous Might both are 1 round/level only and you need to cast them, too.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Murazor]

@Murazor: Divine Power and Righteous Might both are 1 round/level only and you need to cast them, too.

That's where stuff like Extend and/or Quicken comes in, either apply them yourself, or get a handy metamagic-rod.

 

[Darklone]

Well, without derailing into a "I don't think the nerf was bad" discussion: I think it's too strong that way. Most of the time, our clerics only cast either Divine power or Righteous Might and the second was much stronger.

And Animal Growth... needs a fix.

 

[Thanee]

That's where stuff like Extend and/or Quicken comes in, either apply them yourself, or get a handy metamagic-rod.

Metamagic Rod of Quicken 75,500 gp

Tho, the effect of that item is certainly worth every single gold piece.

But just because free application of metamagic (Divine Metamagic would be another way) is extremely strong, doesn't mean, that the spells should be weaker than their level suggests. It's a problem with the free application of metamagic, not with the spells.


@Darklone: Well, I'd hope that Righteous Might is better, it's one level higher, after all. I highly doubt, that this is still true after the errata, I think Divine Power would be used a lot more often then, and this is just wrong!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Gort]

I think scaling it by size (IE, halfling cleric gets bugger all bonuses, human one gets lots) unbalances the races.

Personally I don't think the spell should even exist. I'm alright with a spell that makes a cleric a match for a fighter in hand-to-hand combat BAB-wise, but I don't think they should just get random huge con and strength bonuses. What's the point in playing a fighter in that case?

Of course, the "increase your BAB" spell would probably be lower than 5th level.

 

[Chimera]

Ah, yes....

My mistake. Must be tired eyes.

I read that as "Righteous Might of Nerf".