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Me? As I've repeatedly said, I'm not particularly worried about the lore. I'd just like a good show.

For me this is impossible because of the massive time compression and the butchering of how they shift things between 2nd and 3rd Age. They are doing such a crap job with this that I half expect Legolas to somehow show up in the show. Also, the total garbage from the Galadriel actor saying she believes Galadriel is in love with Sauron. I was waiting for the season to be finished, so that I could go and get a free Prime trial and watch it, like I did with season 1, but I don't think I can stomach it.
 

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For me this is impossible because of the massive time compression and the butchering of how they shift things between 2nd and 3rd Age. They are doing such a crap job with this that I half expect Legolas to somehow show up in the show. Also, the total garbage from the Galadriel actor saying she believes Galadriel is in love with Sauron. I was waiting for the season to be finished, so that I could go and get a free Prime trial and watch it, like I did with season 1, but I don't think I can stomach it.
Legolas was likely enough around at the time.

They signaled early and clearly that they were making their own chronology, not sticking to the one in the books. They aren't even giving Amy dates for anything.
 


I mean, everyone needs to make a paycheck. And Olsen certainly isn't the first academic to act as an apologist for, and as the "expert face" of corporate interest. But some of his commentary on S1 of RoP is painfully obsequious, as he speaks about the "deep meaning and symbolism" which is entirely absent - he was angling for a job, I'm sure. Apparently, he succeeded.

I used to really enjoy his podcast, but ever since Amazon paid for him to see the premiere and lavished him with hospitality, he's been a shameless shill.

In short, his opinion ain't worth diddly to me.

I avoid the term "canon" as I think it's not helpful.

By "authentic," I mean penned by Tolkien - any iteration, at any stage. Olsen seems to think that because Tolkien constantly revised his work, it's ok for anyone else to write whatever they like and it'll be ok.

Tolkien is a beloved author, and a lot of people were hoping that the RoP would represent characters differently, and adhere to events as described in the appendices of LotR, and were disappointed when it didn't.

I don't see why this is ridiculous.

Me? As I've repeatedly said, I'm not particularly worried about the lore. I'd just like a good show.
Okay. Shrug.

Seems a bit strong to label him as a "shameless shill", just because you disagree with his approach. This is what bothers me about fandom at times, seemingly incessant, toxic negativity. It's not enough to simply disagree or dislike, but some feel the need to denigrate the work and personality of others. It's tiresome.

I am not familiar with Olsen's podcast and have no opinion on how much of a Tolkien expert he is or on how he approaches adapting Tolkien's works. But this specific idea, that there is no Middle-Earth canon, I agree with. It's not unique to Olsen by any stretch.

On an aside . . . I'm prepping for a LotR 5E game right now and I'm reading through the core book, which addresses this exact issue and comes down on the "there isn't really canon" side of that argument. Not that this should change your mind, but I found it interesting.

For me . . . when someone is adapting a beloved property to a new medium, like Rings of Power is adapting Tolkien's legendarium, rigidly adhering to "canon" or "lore" isn't important to me. Again, it's an adaptation. It is important to capture the spirit and tone of the original work, which can be difficult, but not the details of canon. Especially when that canon is inconsistent, was constantly revised by the author, and which Tolkien never actually meant to publish. Everything past "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" is Tolkien's son publishing his father's (rather extensive) notes.

The showrunners of Rings of Power not only have a license, they are working with representatives of Tolkien's estate to try and do just that, produce an adaptation. They can't get JRR's blessing, since he's dead. They can't get his son Christopher's blessing, he's dead too. But they are working with members of the family.

How well are they succeeding at adapting Tolkien's notes on Middle-Earth? That's subjective of course, many are enjoying the hell out of the show, others are not. It doesn't bother me if some fans don't care for the show and have specific things they would have done differently. But I just can't take seriously the complaint that the show is straying to far from "canon" or "lore".

Personally, while I do find the first two seasons weak in a few areas, overall I'm really enjoying the series and can't wait for seasons 3-5. But . . . I'm also really enjoying Amazon's "Wheel of Time" adaptation, another show with cranky fans complaining about adherence to canon . . . .
 

I mean, everyone needs to make a paycheck. And Olsen certainly isn't the first academic to act as an apologist for, and as the "expert face" of corporate interest. But some of his commentary on S1 of RoP is painfully obsequious, as he speaks about the "deep meaning and symbolism" which is entirely absent - he was angling for a job, I'm sure. Apparently, he succeeded.

I used to really enjoy his podcast, but ever since Amazon paid for him to see the premiere and lavished him with hospitality, he's been a shameless shill.

In short, his opinion ain't worth diddly to me.
You know this “toxic fandom” thing they keep talking about? That’s this. Anybody who likes something you don’t like gets showered with insults and accusations. Isn’t it enough that you’ve literally driven the people who like the show out of this thread, so that they’ve had to create a new one just to keep away from you?

Look, expressing your opinion, even with the extreme hyperbole, is fine, I guess. But attacking people who you disagree with? Calling them names? Save that for Twitter. We expect better here. This is just embarrassing.


Please do not use my platform for that. You went too far. I don’t want to be associated with that sort of toxic behaviour.

Is this who you want to be?
 
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I am not familiar with Olsen's podcast and have no opinion on how much of a Tolkien expert he is or on how he approaches adapting Tolkien's works.
His work is quite good, IMO: he is an English lit professor who figured out there was a better living to be made in podcasting about Tolkien than Academia, but that's modern life. His readings of Tolkoen are quite good, and he gives this show a very in-depth and critical-yet-charutable reading. He is not shilling.
 



I'm still with Dr. Olsen. Outside of "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings", there really isn't any Middle-Earth canon.
Yep this right there.

If RoP conflicts with actual true cannon....ok I can understand concern. I don't think movies need to be 100% faithful to books but at least I get the argument.

RoP conflicts with the Silmarillion....who the heck cares, its a fanfic made with Tolkien's notes, not a Tolkein novel
 

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