Rnaged touch and guns....

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

I know that guns are treated as ranged attacks in D20, but it seems to me that you could argue for a ranged touch. Armor really wouldn't do anything against a fire arm, unless you just lump it in as "just another weapon...". All you really need to do is put it in the right place, just like a ray.

Just looing for opinions really, not rules support or pages of text on how overpowered that would make guns.

 

[dcollins]

Although this arguably belongs in house rules -- I agree that firearms should ignore armor bonuses (which is not exactly the same thing as being touch attacks).

That's what I recommend on this page, and additionally point out that that's the closest conversion to the old AD&D/Boot Hill conversion rules, here: www.superdan.net/boothill.html

 

[Spindel]

Tricky. A plate of metal in the way will slow a bullet down, as will natural armour. Should dodging (dex) be allowed? Maybe if you get a gun all attack can just be against AC 10, then it'd be like Indiana Jones.

 

[Geoff Watson]

Not another 'guns are great' thread.

Unless you are talking about modern firearms (and even today, there are things like bullet-proof vests), guns were no better than arrows or crossbow bolts at penetrating armour.

Geoff.

 

[Vaxalon]

Most major arms and armor collections include items that have dents in them made by musket balls.

Dents.

Think about that.

How many stories have you heard of a policeman being saved because the bullet bounced off his badge, or whistle, or some other small bit of metal.

Think about that.

 

[Krail Stromquism]

let alone natural armor!

How many big game hunters go out with a 22?

Theres a reason you hunt elephants and rhinos with a gun that shoots bullets as big around as your thumb!

anyhow,

word up to all my gun tottin' homies!

 

[kreynolds]

word up to all my gun tottin' homies!

You can turn that right-side-up now.

 

[Dog Faced God]

Last night I saw a show on the History channel called Mail Call. It's sort of a military history show. The host is Ronald Emery (the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket). They shot a breastplate from an old suit of armor with a modern rifle (a 30-.06 I think). It made a small dent in the armor, but did not pierce it. They also tried (unsuccessfully) to shoot through some armor with a heavy crossbow. They also tried, with the same crossbow, to shoot a watermelon. They took several shots at the watermelon before they got one of the bolts to penetrate and exit.

The Sleeping Imperium has some very cool rules for firearms in their downloads section.