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Rogue's Been in an Awkward Place, And This Survey Might Be Our Last Chance to Let WotC Know.
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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 9238933" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>No you have not. Please don't project your personal experience onto the player base in general.</p><p></p><p>A 3 point difference means a 15 percentage point difference in making a roll or not. Perhaps you can't notice the difference, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.</p><p></p><p>And "bounded accuracy" doesn't mean numbers have lost meaning either. It means that numbers don't increase with level (as much), and it can mean some rolls get easier as you level up.</p><p></p><p>And sure, the difference in having to roll at least a 5 and succeeding even on a 2 is a 3 point difference, but a 95% success rate is only 19 percent bigger than a 80% success rate.</p><p></p><p>But when you're asked to make more difficult rolls (DC 20 and above) - saving throws in particular - you will still sorely miss that 3 point bump. If you're asked to make a DC 21 saving throw and you have a +2 modifier, you need to roll 19 on the die; a 10% chance. If you somehow got a +3 bonus suddenly you have a 25% chance.</p><p></p><p>That's an increase of 150%.</p><p></p><p>Some DMs like it when even specialized characters get challenged, and offer skill check DCs even higher than that. <em>Your</em> DM might never challenge your characters this way, but don't assume that experience is shared by everyone.</p><p></p><p>Especially don't point toward one particular table in the DMG and declare everyone is either using it or playing the game wrong, and thus, you can suddenly make sweeping generalizations about how the game "is" played.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 9238933, member: 12731"] No you have not. Please don't project your personal experience onto the player base in general. A 3 point difference means a 15 percentage point difference in making a roll or not. Perhaps you can't notice the difference, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. And "bounded accuracy" doesn't mean numbers have lost meaning either. It means that numbers don't increase with level (as much), and it can mean some rolls get easier as you level up. And sure, the difference in having to roll at least a 5 and succeeding even on a 2 is a 3 point difference, but a 95% success rate is only 19 percent bigger than a 80% success rate. But when you're asked to make more difficult rolls (DC 20 and above) - saving throws in particular - you will still sorely miss that 3 point bump. If you're asked to make a DC 21 saving throw and you have a +2 modifier, you need to roll 19 on the die; a 10% chance. If you somehow got a +3 bonus suddenly you have a 25% chance. That's an increase of 150%. Some DMs like it when even specialized characters get challenged, and offer skill check DCs even higher than that. [I]Your[/I] DM might never challenge your characters this way, but don't assume that experience is shared by everyone. Especially don't point toward one particular table in the DMG and declare everyone is either using it or playing the game wrong, and thus, you can suddenly make sweeping generalizations about how the game "is" played. [/QUOTE]
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