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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9251819" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>Those are easy to resolve. It's still not a thing that requires thought. Just because it's been a while I consulted the dmg to double check if anything other than untyped circumstance & dodge stacks with itself. That confirmed only those two being the exception. </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Morale bonuses don't stack... next</li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Luck bonuses don't stack... next</li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">enhancement bonuses don't stack and the most common source for one on a weapon is +N weaponsa +1 enhancement bonus to a weapon from a buff into a thing that really only applies at the lowest of levels... next</li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Morale bonuses still don't stack, this is a good example of how bonus types served to limit excessive power from layered buffs & magic items, 5e simply collapses under this kind of condition... They are also fairly uncommon on equipment making this another rare case where stacking might be a concern </li> </ul><p></p><p>Deflection doesn't stack. I was going to talk about an example but the sidebar on page 21 of the dmg where bonus types are explained literally covers the example I had in mind</p><p>[spoiler]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]344640[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>Now wotc just avoids responsibility for that imbalance described by saying "we designed 5e so magic items are not required" & blaming the GM for giving them out.</p><p></p><p>Morale bonuses still don't stack. It's almost like all of these spells were designed so they <em>deliberately</em> conflict to prevent stacking.</p><p></p><p>+N attrib items are also enhancement bonuses. I can't recall a player ever forgetting & needing to check if they had a +2/+4 attrib or better item. With a 1min per level duration these spells were generally a prefight buff used when a bbeg or similar is expected. Working out who might benefit from those spells was generally a thing done well before anything resembling an adventuring day because of vancian spell prep... Next </p><p></p><p>Untyped bonuses <em>always</em> stack and this is buffing the caster of the spell who prepared it, there is nothing to wonder about</p><p></p><p>Protection from X spells grant a deflection bonus & will not stack with a ring/cloak of protection or shield of faith, see the spoiler above.</p><p></p><p>enhancement bonuses don't stack. If you have +N shield <em>or</em> armor this done nothing. This spell is really only useful at the lowest of levels when the caster probably didn't have third level slots to think about wasting one on prepping <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicVestment.htm" target="_blank">this spell</a>. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses</p><p></p><p>Correct, no doubt that conflict is deliberate. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses</p><p></p><p>Were there really battle clerics unsure if they could stack bulls strength & divine power? This conflict was almost certainly deliberate. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses</p><p></p><p>Correct. It was never an issue because magic weapon was quickly discarded once masterwork or +1 weapons were obtained. at +1 per four caster levels this always felt like more of a prison break support type spell since it also would not stack with an equal or better +N weapon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9251819, member: 93670"] Those are easy to resolve. It's still not a thing that requires thought. Just because it's been a while I consulted the dmg to double check if anything other than untyped circumstance & dodge stacks with itself. That confirmed only those two being the exception. [LIST] [*]Morale bonuses don't stack... next [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Luck bonuses don't stack... next [/LIST] [LIST] [*]enhancement bonuses don't stack and the most common source for one on a weapon is +N weaponsa +1 enhancement bonus to a weapon from a buff into a thing that really only applies at the lowest of levels... next [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Morale bonuses still don't stack, this is a good example of how bonus types served to limit excessive power from layered buffs & magic items, 5e simply collapses under this kind of condition... They are also fairly uncommon on equipment making this another rare case where stacking might be a concern [/LIST] Deflection doesn't stack. I was going to talk about an example but the sidebar on page 21 of the dmg where bonus types are explained literally covers the example I had in mind [spoiler] [ATTACH type="full"]344640[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] Now wotc just avoids responsibility for that imbalance described by saying "we designed 5e so magic items are not required" & blaming the GM for giving them out. Morale bonuses still don't stack. It's almost like all of these spells were designed so they [I]deliberately[/I] conflict to prevent stacking. +N attrib items are also enhancement bonuses. I can't recall a player ever forgetting & needing to check if they had a +2/+4 attrib or better item. With a 1min per level duration these spells were generally a prefight buff used when a bbeg or similar is expected. Working out who might benefit from those spells was generally a thing done well before anything resembling an adventuring day because of vancian spell prep... Next Untyped bonuses [I]always[/I] stack and this is buffing the caster of the spell who prepared it, there is nothing to wonder about Protection from X spells grant a deflection bonus & will not stack with a ring/cloak of protection or shield of faith, see the spoiler above. enhancement bonuses don't stack. If you have +N shield [I]or[/I] armor this done nothing. This spell is really only useful at the lowest of levels when the caster probably didn't have third level slots to think about wasting one on prepping [URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicVestment.htm']this spell[/URL]. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses Correct, no doubt that conflict is deliberate. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses Were there really battle clerics unsure if they could stack bulls strength & divine power? This conflict was almost certainly deliberate. Also you could see the spoiler above where it talks about the unbalanced nature of (5e style) cumulative stacking of bonuses Correct. It was never an issue because magic weapon was quickly discarded once masterwork or +1 weapons were obtained. at +1 per four caster levels this always felt like more of a prison break support type spell since it also would not stack with an equal or better +N weapon [/QUOTE]
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